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Is Allah God? - Continued

by Daniel Pipes
Thu, 21 Sep 2006

updated Mon, 26 May 2008

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Is "Allah" the same deity as "God"? I broached this topic in June 2005 in "Is Allah God?" (answering the question in the affirmative). The topic has taken on new urgency with the uproar over Pope Benedict XVI's comments about Islam, prompting the pope to state today that Muslims "worship the one God and with whom we promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values for the benefit of all humanity."

In this, he agrees with Pope John Paul II's statement in August 1985. While visiting Casablanca, Morocco, he declared that Catholics and Muslims "believe in the same God, the one God, the living God." (September 21, 2006)

Sep. 25, 2006 update: Pope Benedict reaffirmed this same point, this time even more forcefully. In the course of a statement to Muslim ambassadors, he quoted the Nostra Aetate issued by the Second Vatican Council:

The Church looks upon Muslims with respect. They worship the one God living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to humanity and to whose decrees, even the hidden ones, they seek to submit themselves whole-heartedly, just as Abraham, to whom the Islamic faith readily relates itself, submitted to God.

The pope endorsed this 1965 statement by calling it "the Magna Carta of Muslim-Christian dialogue."

Comment: Every twenty years, it appears, the church confirms that, indeed, Allah=God.

Aug. 15, 2007 update: A Roman Catholic bishop in the Netherlands, Tiny Muskens, has taken the Allah=God idea to an extreme, proposing that all monotheists refer to God as Allah, as a means to increase inter-faith understanding. The Associated Press relates how Muskens

told Dutch television on Monday[, Aug. 13] that God did not mind what he was named and that in Indonesia, where Muskens spent eight years, priests used the word "Allah" while celebrating Mass. "Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him? It is our problem."

A survey in the Netherlands' biggest-selling newspaper De Telegraaf on Wednesday found 92 percent of the more than 4,000 people polled disagreed with the bishop's view, which also drew ridicule. "Sure. Lets call God Allah. Lets then call a church a mosque and pray five times a day. Ramadan sounds like fun," Welmoet Koppenhol wrote in a letter to the newspaper. Gerrit de Fijter, chairman of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands, told the paper he welcomed any attempt to "create more dialogue," but added: "Calling God ‘Allah' does no justice to Western identity. I see no benefit in it."

Aug. 23, 2007 update: For a rare, serious argument that Allah≠God, see Soeren Kern, "Who Is Allah?" which argues that "just because Christianity, Judaism and Islam are called "monotheistic" faiths, it does not follow that Christians, Jews and Muslims pray to the same God."

Aug. 29, 2007 update: An article by Ilan Barir on "The Yezidis of Iraq, an Endangered Minority," reminds me that for this religion too, God is called Allah. As Barir summarizes its belief system, "The Yezidi religion includes a belief in a single God, Allah, as well as the belief in an archangel that refused to obey the godly command to bow down to Adam."

This is as good a point as any to add to the Qur'anic reference provided in my original article, which was Sura 29:46. Here is Sura 5:44 (5:47 in some editions):

We have sent down the Torah.

Oct. 4, 2007 update: George W. Bush has also reaffirmed his belief that Allah is the same as God, in an interview today, saying, "I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe."

Dec. 4, 2007 update: The Associated Press has also decided that Allah=God and implemented this in its highly influential Stylebook.

From: updates@apstylebook.com [mailto:updates@apstylebook.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:44 PM
To: XX
Subject: AP Stylebook Update

A new entry has been added to the AP Stylebook:

Allah

The Muslim name for God. The word God should be used, unless the Arabic name is used in a quote written or spoken in English.

Dec. 24, 2007 update: Che Din Yusoff, a senior official at the publications control unit of Malaysia's Internal Security Ministry, has warned a Catholic publication, the Weekly Herald, not to use the term Allah in its Malay-language section to refer to its concept of God.

Che Din indicated this usage is erroneous because, Allah refers to the Muslim God. "Christians cannot use the word Allah. It is only applicable to Muslims. Allah is only for the Muslim god. This is a design to confuse the Muslim people."

Che Din instructed the newspaper to use the generic term for God, Tuhan. Che Din reasoned that because Christians do not use the word Allah in their English-language worship, they also should not use it in Malay. In addition, Che Din forbade three other Malay words to non-Muslims: solat for prayers, kaabah for the place Muslims worship to in Mecca, and baitula for the house of Allah.

In response, the editor of the Weekly Herald, Father Andrew Lawrence, explained his newspaper's usage of the word: "We follow the Bible. The Malay-language Bible uses Allah for God and Tuhan for Lord. In our prayers and in church during Malay mass, we use the word Allah. This is not something new. The word Allah has been used [by Christians] in Malaysia for a long time. There is no confusion."

Publishers in Malaysia are required to obtain annual permits from the government which expire on Dec. 31. the Weekly Herald is in discussion with the government to renew its permit; Che Din indicated this would happen only if it stops using the word Allah in its Malay pages.

Comment: This development makes for an interesting coda to the Tiny Muskens flap (see entry at Aug. 15, 2007).

Dec. 28, 2007 update: The Malaysian case promises to be an interesting one, for the Weekly Herald plans has sued the government and the internal security minister (a post held at the moment by Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi) for banning the word Allah in its pages. "We are of the view that we have the right to use the word Allah," says its editor, the Rev. Lawrence Andrew.

The Sabah Evangelical Church of Borneo, has joined the suit because customs officials confiscated three boxes of children's educational materials from a church member going through the Kuala Lumpur airport in August on the grounds the books contained the word Allah to refer to the Christian God. This, he was told, could raise confusion and controversy among Muslims and the matter was classified as a security issue. In response, the church's lawyer, Lim Heng Seng, said that "The decision to declare Allah as only for Muslims, categorizing this as a security issue, and banning books with the word Allah' is unlawful." The pastor of the Sabah Evangelical Church, Jerry Dusing, noted that Christians in Sabah have long used the word Allah when they worship in the Malay language and that the word even appears in their Malay Bible. "The Christian usage of Allah predates Islam. Allah is the name of God in the old Arabic Bible as well as in the modern Arabic Bible," plus Christians in Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Indonesia and elsewhere use Allah without problem.

Comment: A serious court case could bring out the arguments of the two sides of this debate in an unprecedented fashion.

Dec. 30, 2007 update: No court case: the Malaysian government reversed itself, faxing a note to Father Lawrence that the Weekly Herald will receive a 2008 permit to publish, without conditions.

Jan. 4, 2008 update: Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi himself has forbidden Christians to use the word Allah, Datuk Abdullah Mohd Zin of the Prime Minister's Department announced in a press conference. Badawi instructed him to clarify the matter, the Star explains:

"One of the reasons given to uphold the restriction is because that it has long been the practice of this country that the world Allah refers to God according to the Muslim faith." It was only proper for other religions to use the word God and not Allah when referring to their God in respective beliefs, Abdullah said, adding that the use of the word Allah shall not be made a public debate that may give the impression as if there is no freedom of religion in the country. "The use of the word Allah by non-Muslims may arouse sensitivity and create confusion among Muslims in the country," he said.

Jan. 14, 2008 update: Another politician has weighed on this issue, this time French president Nicolas Sarkozy during a visit to Saudi Arabia, announcing that "it is the same God" to which Muslims, Jews, and Christians address their prayers:

Sans doute, Musulmans, Juifs et Chrétiens ne croient-ils pas en Dieu de la même façon. Sans doute n'ont-ils pas la même manière de vénérer Dieu, de le prier, de le servir. Mais au fond, qui pourrait contester que c'est bien le même Dieu auquel s'adressent leurs prières? Que c'est bien le même besoin de croire. Que c'est le même besoin d'espérer qui leur fait tourner leurs regards et leurs mains vers le Ciel pour implorer la miséricorde de Dieu, le Dieu de la Bible, le Dieu des Evangiles et le Dieu du Coran? Finalement, le Dieu unique des religions du Livre.

Apr. 6, 2008 update: The novelist Rabih Alameddine has an amusing take on this issue today in the Los Angeles Times, in "‘Allah' vs. ‘God': Using English to separate the two has become a dangerous practice."

Allah means God.

In Arabic, Muslims, Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians all pray to Allah. In English, however, Christians and Jews pray to God, and Allah is the Muslim deity. No one would think of using the word "Allah" to talk about any other religion. The two words, "God" and "Allah," do not mean the same thing in English. They should. …

We never say the French pray to Dieu, or Mexicans pray to Dios. Having Allah be different from God implies that Muslims pray to a special deity. It classifies Muslims as the Other. Separating Allah from God, we only see a vengeful, alarming deity, one responsible for those frightful fatwas and ghastly jihads—rarely the compassionate God. The opening line of every chapter in the Koran is "Bi Ism Allah, Al Rahman, Al Rahim": In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. In the name of Allah. One and the same.

The separation is happening on all sides. This year, the Malaysian government issued an edict warning the Herald, a weekly English newspaper, that no religion except Islam can use the word Allah to denote God. No such edict, or fatwa for that matter, is needed for the New York Times: a quick search through the archives shows that Allah is used only as the Muslim God.

In these troubled times, creating more differences, further parsing so to speak, is troubling, even dangerous. I suggest we either not use the word Allah or, better yet, use it in a non-Muslim context.

Otherwise, the terrorists win.

One nation under Allah?

Apr. 18, 2008 update: Mark Durie, an Anglican pastor in Melbourne, Australia, published Revelation? Guide for the Perplexed in 2006. It takes up in depth the question whether Christians worship the same God as Muslims. They do not, he finds:

A careful study of the scriptures of Islam and Christianity shows that the LORD God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran are different personalities in many respects. They have such different personalities, and different capacities, that they cannot said to be the same. … to claim they are the same god would only be misleading.

Durie summarizes those differences in Appendix A, "YHWH and Allah":

The Bible

The Quran

YHWH is God's name ‘forever'. (Exodus 3:13–15)

Allah is God's name. (The Quran)

Evil is not from YHWH, but wilful rebellion against YHWH. YHWH is the author of good, not evil. (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 92:15; 1 John 1:5)

Allah is the author of both good and evil. (Q91:5–9)

YHWH can make himself present with and in people and places: this is distinct from his omnipresence. (Exodus 33:14–15; Joel 2:27–29)

Allah is everywhere at once, but nowhere in particular: he indwells nothing. (Q2:109; Q4:125)

YHWH is holy, and his followers should be holy too. (Leviticus 19:1–2)

The Holiness of Allah is rarely referred to in the Quran: it appears to be a minor or secondary attribute of Allah. (Q59:20-24)

Human beings are created in God's image and should seek to be like him. (Genesis 1:26–27; Ephesians 5:1-2)

Nothing in creation is like Allah, and people must not seek to be like him. (Q4:50–54) No human attribute may be associated with Allah, and when people use the same words to describe humans and Allah this is merely a figure of speech.

YHWH loves sinners and reaches out to his enemies in love. (Exodus 34:5–7; 1 John 4:19)

Allah will typically hate those who hate him, and love those who obey him, and he wants people to follow him in this. He is however under no obligation to love, and can love or hate whoever he chooses. (Q3:25–29)

YHWH is faithful to his word, which is unchanging, and he does not lie. (Numbers 23:19) Although God can and often does make conditional promises – including covenants – his inherent faithfulness is not dependent upon human faithfulness, but reflects his utter holiness. (Hebrews 6:17–19; Malachi 3:6)

Allah acts as he pleases and is the ‘best of schemers' (Q3:54); he can, without impugning his perfection, abrogate something he has said earlier and replace it with a contradictory word. (Q16:100–104) He is not obligated to follow his covenants, nor does he obligate himself to people in any way. (Q17:85–89)

Revelation? carries endorsements from Bat Ye'or, Andrew Bostom, Peter Riddell, and Robert Spencer.

"Revelation?" by Mark Durie

May 5, 2008

The Associated Press news item also indicates that the Sabah Evangelical Church of Borneo (on which, see Dec. 28, 2007 update, above) has also filed a separate lawsuit to import books using the word Allah for God.

update
: It appeared that the Malaysian government had given way for the Weekly Herald to use the word Allah (see the Dec. 30, 2007 update, above) but then the prime minister himself forbade Christians to do so (see the Jan. 4, 2008 update, above). Now comes word not only that the Weekly Herald is suing the government but that High Court Judge Lau Bee Lan ruled that prosecutors' objection to the lawsuit is "without merit" and she will allow the paper to argue against the government ban in court.

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All G-dnames come from pagan sources. [62 words]

Blake 

Jul 16, 2008 15:01

Use of the Arabic Word "allah" in Christian Witness to Muslims [96 words]

John Marion 

Jun 20, 2008 19:14

Allah is the unseen power for everyone, despite religion. [151 words]

Filiz 

Jun 3, 2008 18:24

  Our dear Filiz and the word Allah [484 words]

dhimmi no more 

Jul 16, 2008 08:22

God not by any other Name [621 words]

Lame Cherry 

Jun 1, 2008 21:16

'Allah' is my rock and redeemer? [150 words]

L.A. Daneman 

May 29, 2008 18:31

  Allah is not Vedic [108 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Jun 17, 2008 20:33

  Due Diligence in re Who is Allah? [230 words]

Leonard Daneman 

Jun 21, 2008 14:26

  A weak premise [156 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Jun 22, 2008 03:23

  Pre-history of Islam [161 words]

Leonard Daneman 

Jul 2, 2008 03:44

  Sources please? A biased website is not corroborating evidence. [448 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Jul 2, 2008 15:46

  Contrasting your claims with the Encyclopedia of Islam [9803 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Jul 2, 2008 16:00

inaccurate table? [31 words]

freddiefreeloader 

Apr 21, 2008 07:17

  Elementary, dear Watson [62 words]

Ugri 

May 27, 2008 02:43

If humans are the true authors of "revealed scripture", then what's the point? [33 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 20, 2008 17:57

  For once I agree with our dear zzazz [443 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 22, 2008 08:02

  Sorry dhimmi, but your "agreement" with me here is only partly true. [140 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Apr 23, 2008 18:56

  Our dear zzazz and more qash wa tibn and his excuse today is: My Christian friends told me so [234 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 25, 2008 07:07

  Our dear zzazz is saying that if you do not like what I'm saying then blame my Christian friends [112 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 26, 2008 07:24

  Dhimmi's view of the Qur'an is not biased [60 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 26, 2008 21:13

  Dhimmi no more's "perceived bias", zzazzefrazzee? [173 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 26, 2008 21:46

  Revealed Scripture? [110 words]

Linda Haslam 

May 29, 2008 11:02

If scripture reveals God, they're obviously different [302 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 19, 2008 19:45

Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition [882 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 19, 2008 16:05

  Just an addendum re: Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition [134 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 20, 2008 18:09

  Isn't Ahmed Ali a little off base? [288 words]

Oliver 

Apr 21, 2008 15:33

  Abraham was first a Gentile [888 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 21, 2008 18:45

  Who is really Muhammad/Ahmad? [310 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 21, 2008 21:29

  Arabic from dhimmi no more [286 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 21, 2008 22:26

  OK - OK - I'll say 'Uncle Mutalib' ... [67 words]

Oliver 

Apr 22, 2008 17:19

  Good question [487 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 22, 2008 21:08

  Q7:157 [467 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 22, 2008 21:26

  Q7:157 - question for dhimmi no more [96 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 27, 2008 17:58

  Q7:157 revisited and literature [457 words]

dhimmi no more 

May 3, 2008 09:21

  Willing converts? [129 words]

Linda Haslam 

May 29, 2008 10:44

simple task [17 words]

Rebecca Moulds 

Apr 19, 2008 10:40

No [5 words]

John 

Apr 18, 2008 22:25

Lies, and damned lies [147 words]

Shepard 

Apr 18, 2008 10:39

  Lies and Damned Lies - a response [376 words]

Mark Durie 

Apr 18, 2008 21:54

  1769 King James [299 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 19, 2008 02:32

  Please expand your comments [485 words]

Oliver 

Apr 19, 2008 09:45

  Response to Mark Durie [614 words]

Shepard 

Apr 20, 2008 13:12

  Divine attributes are not merely "names and titles" [175 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 20, 2008 14:00

  Humans also hold that all gods are one, zzazzeefrazzee [197 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 21, 2008 03:29

  Praise be to Allah, The Beneficent, the Merciful. [198 words]

Oliver 

Apr 21, 2008 13:12

  That premise that also works equally when for comparing Judaism and Christianty. [184 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 21, 2008 22:59

  Thank you for your comments [54 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 21, 2008 23:02

  Jennifer- it's all there in an earlier argument [61 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 21, 2008 23:25

  Response to zzazzeefrazzee [587 words]

Mark Durie 

Apr 22, 2008 18:27

  May I correct the record ... a bit? [381 words]

Oliver 

Apr 24, 2008 01:29

  A reply to Mark Durie [2131 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 25, 2008 00:22

  One last try ... [287 words]

Oliver 

Apr 25, 2008 17:14

  More predictable, sanctimonious hyperbole from Oliver... [190 words]

zzazzeefrazze 

Apr 26, 2008 00:32

  The word Allah and Syriac in the Qur'an [792 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 26, 2008 10:25

  Response to zzazzeefrazzee [149 words]

Mark Durie 

May 3, 2008 07:35

  Thanks to dhimmi no more [28 words]

Mark Durie 

May 3, 2008 07:55

  Allah and Syriac in the late antique period and prior to the Arab invasion [328 words]

dhimmi no more 

May 4, 2008 07:47

Rabin Almeddine's argument (Apr.6 2008 update) [358 words]

jennifer solis 

Apr 6, 2008 22:43

  remember 'ilah' and 'al-ilah' ... [258 words]

Oliver 

Apr 8, 2008 09:47

  The Trinity in Arabic [165 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Apr 8, 2008 16:10

  Oliver- you also overlook "alaha"- [39 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 9, 2008 17:25

  al-thalooth al-muqaddas and our dear Zzazz needs to stick to Urdu [822 words]

dhimmi no more 

Apr 21, 2008 23:00

"Having Allah be different from God implies that Muslims pray to a special deity." Ya THINK? [32 words]

DrRJP 

Apr 6, 2008 17:26

  What about Arabic-speaking Christians? [40 words]

zzaqzzeefrazzee 

Apr 8, 2008 16:02

  The "monotheistic tradition" of the Jews was stolen by the Muslims, like everything else. [57 words]

DrRJP 

Apr 10, 2008 23:06

  By your own logic, Christians are just as guilty. [190 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 13, 2008 14:03

  Wrong again ... as usual ... [92 words]

Oliver 

Apr 14, 2008 17:18

  More evasive absolutism from Oliver [59 words]

zzazzeefrazee 

Apr 15, 2008 21:38

  The usual santimonious absolutism from Oliver [193 words]

zzazzeefrazee 

Apr 15, 2008 21:58

  Ditto to Oliver's "Wrong again...as usual" But, please, zzazzeefrazzee, don't let that stop you... [214 words]

DrRJP 

Apr 16, 2008 18:15

  Dr. Dr., how you miss the point; but don't let that stop you. [374 words]

Zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 17, 2008 16:08

  If a scholar said that the moon is made of green cheese, would that make it so? [397 words]

DrRJP 

Apr 17, 2008 22:27

  Keep it up ... [119 words]

Oliver 

Apr 18, 2008 00:22

  You are such a 'kidder' ... [267 words]

Oliver 

Apr 18, 2008 01:34

  I'm getting dizzy ... again [143 words]

Oliver 

Apr 18, 2008 02:02

  Amen [191 words]

J P 

Apr 18, 2008 22:13

  Straw men and red herrings from the "Dr." [409 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 21, 2008 23:17

A summary reply to Oliver about the usage of Allah by Arabic Christians. [1344 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 22, 2008 14:23

  Travel well ... wherever you are headed ... [42 words]

Oliver 

Mar 31, 2008 21:53

Question: Is Allah God? Answer: Yes … and no. [1027 words]

Oliver 

Mar 8, 2008 16:01

  Nice try, Oliver, but your argument is still full of holes and therefore HIGHLY ERRONEOUS! [1395 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 20:09

  Khoda - I like it - I think ... [702 words]

Oliver 

Mar 11, 2008 23:31

  What was that you said? [318 words]

Oliver 

Mar 12, 2008 16:58

  Careful now! [134 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 13, 2008 12:35

  Why don't you take your own advice?? [763 words]

Oliver 

Mar 14, 2008 20:49

  More sanctimonious fanaticism from Oliver. [397 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 16, 2008 16:27

Different Gods? or Different conceptions of the same God? [564 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 27, 2008 00:39

  YHVH = JESUS = ALLAH ... What's wrong with that? [316 words]

Oliver 

Feb 28, 2008 00:23

  Not all Christians in the world today echo your views and attitudes. [112 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 29, 2008 19:37

  Our dear zzazz and history 101 and Alaha/Allaha and Allah and Elohim [692 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 1, 2008 21:25

  Variant 'concepts' of GOD .... [522 words]

Oliver 

Mar 4, 2008 22:23

  An important pre-Islamic, Christian trilingual Greek-Syriac-Arabic inscription from Zabad. [1162 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 5, 2008 19:24

  "Gods" are revealed through scripture. Period. [93 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 9, 2008 04:23

  OK, but then the Christian concept of God is not the same as that of the Torah [157 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 19:03

  One glaring difference [15 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 10, 2008 22:18

  "Different Views" based on....what? [237 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 11, 2008 01:54

  That's nice! [43 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 11, 2008 21:21

  zzazzeefrazzee is simply a dhimmi [fill in the blank] [80 words]

Oliver 

Mar 12, 2008 21:43

  Never wrote you were, zzazzeefrazzee [141 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 12, 2008 23:35

  Oliver's ad hominem [132 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 16, 2008 16:42

  Nice try Jennifer [566 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 17, 2008 13:25

  OK – have it your way – I agree that you are ADAMANTLY disagreeable. Travel well. [16 words]

Oliver 

Mar 17, 2008 22:36

  Reply to zzazzeefrazzee - Allah does mean a monotheistic "god" [846 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 18, 2008 04:09

  why mar your arguement with apologist nonsense [40 words]

bos 

Mar 18, 2008 10:40

  It's better to disagree with absolutists than be sanctimonious [126 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 18, 2008 20:58

  A response [946 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 19, 2008 21:25

  Prove your 'friends' correct - why don't you? [315 words]

Oliver 

Mar 19, 2008 22:26

  Who's obfustating? [144 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 20, 2008 11:41

  You sure are good at spin-casting for red herring ... [98 words]

Oliver 

Mar 21, 2008 02:19

  you were. [259 words]

bos 

Mar 21, 2008 10:25

  A correction regarding "only guaranteed" route to heaven. [464 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 22, 2008 17:56

  practical and interpretive issues [445 words]

bos 

Mar 25, 2008 10:00

  A suggestion: study your topic BEFORE you post. [1245 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 28, 2008 23:20

  a counter suggestion: take yourself less seriously and choose your battles more rationally [1133 words]

bos 

Mar 29, 2008 22:36

  A reply to Bos [1291 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Apr 5, 2008 18:59

When did Arabic Christians employ "Allah" in the Arabic Bible? [521 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 27, 2008 00:31

  It's called 'Theological Correctness' ... [260 words]

Oliver 

Feb 27, 2008 23:30

  Arabs Christians have used the term "Allah"- but you obviousuly can't deal with reality. [350 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 29, 2008 19:22

  Our dear zzazz and half knowledge [523 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 1, 2008 22:02

  Our dear zzazz calls himself a "linguist" then he tells us that his Arabic is poor because he is American! Poor baby [122 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 2, 2008 14:39

  Reality check please [1281 words]

Oliver 

Mar 3, 2008 01:55

  You create your own reality! [29 words]

No_absolute 

Mar 4, 2008 12:28

  Dhimmi's logical fallacies (and VERY POOR comprehension of English)! [1184 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Mar 4, 2008 13:49

  Poor Dhimmi can't handle a disagreement, much less compose a valid argument. [213 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 4, 2008 19:42

  Please consider the Pre-Islamic paleographic evidence for Christian usage of "al-Ilah" [831 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 4, 2008 23:06

  There is only one reality ... at least for finite beings [388 words]

Oliver 

Mar 4, 2008 23:24

  The useage of al-ilah in pre-islamasized Arabic is not the point ... wait - maybe it is ... [729 words]

Oliver 

Mar 5, 2008 22:23

  Theological "correctness" is religious absolutism! [84 words]

No_Absolute 

Mar 6, 2008 16:19

  That's just wonderful ... [312 words]

Oliver 

Mar 6, 2008 22:44

  Documented pre-Islamic usage is not an example of "dhimmitude" [242 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 7, 2008 16:04

  Gott or gott or G-tt or g-tt [793 words]

Oliver 

Mar 8, 2008 00:46

  Your santimonious assertions are your own personal views, and are not shared by all Christians. [275 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Mar 8, 2008 19:23

  OK - I guess this means we agree to disagree ... [323 words]

Oliver 

Mar 8, 2008 23:33

  Our dear Zzazz and it is about Arabic [1503 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 08:59

  Our dear zzazz who knows no Arabic can type words in Arabic go figure, and the English language excuse [398 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 09:18

  So why do Christian Arabs call their God Allah? [262 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 09:48

  So why do Christian Arabs call their God Allah? [282 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 10:02

  Our dear zzazz and you ain't no historian either [291 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 14:02

  Would you deign to reconsider your sanctimonious attitudes towards Arabic speaking Christians? [375 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 00:20

  More straw men from dhimmi [254 words]

Zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 13:44

  Just who is the "careless reader"? (Even more straw men fallacies from Dhimmi) [220 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 13:54

  More straw men from Dhimmi [94 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 20:16

  Dhimmi's nit-picking. [222 words]

zzazzeerazzee 

Mar 10, 2008 20:30

  No, Thank you ... better to appear to be sanctimonious than to possibly be blasphemous [251 words]

Oliver 

Mar 11, 2008 00:44

  Is Meccan trade as "Bogus" as Dhimmi portrays? Not according to the source he mentioned... [958 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 11, 2008 01:40

  Sanctimony is the opposite of objectivity, not " [235 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 11, 2008 21:34

  GO AND DO LIKEWISE ... [479 words]

Oliver 

Mar 12, 2008 21:35

  Then who was "Theos Hypsistos", and was he not a pagan deity? [261 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 15, 2008 19:05

  We should agree to disagree ... and get back on topic [1074 words]

Oliver 

Mar 16, 2008 04:15

  Simple question- simple answer [41 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 17, 2008 21:13

  More on the pagan term Theos Hypsistos [44 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 17, 2008 21:24

  Are contractions such as "Don't" and "Do Not"; "Who's" and "Who is" completely unrelated and different? Same goes for "Allah" and "al-Ilah". [167 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 17, 2008 21:40

  Another trick, but not tricky enough [168 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 18, 2008 06:06

  uuuh - NO [249 words]

Oliver 

Mar 18, 2008 21:53

  Q 109 [146 words]

Oliver 

Mar 18, 2008 22:21

  theos hypsistos ... who? [321 words]

Oliver 

Mar 18, 2008 22:54

  Oliver - of course not [318 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 19, 2008 20:27

  This is my personal name - my memorial name - forever [292 words]

Oliver 

Mar 19, 2008 21:57

  Good point, Oliver [20 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 20, 2008 00:59

  Get thee an education [175 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 20, 2008 11:59

  Oliver's absolutism [837 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 20, 2008 12:53

  Oliver's "context" is not shared by all Christians [223 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 20, 2008 13:02

  Another reply [454 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 20, 2008 14:05

  Nice of you to ask ... [650 words]

Oliver 

Mar 20, 2008 23:15

  Listen and learn before you rush to judgement. [726 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 21, 2008 00:24

  'emeth (0571) for Oliver [409 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 21, 2008 01:04

  "Allah" is identified with Islam, zazz [136 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 21, 2008 01:33

  Phew ... at it again ... [144 words]

Oliver 

Mar 21, 2008 01:58

  zzazzeefrazzee and his "codices" [489 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 21, 2008 17:41

  Zzazz, your "context" is not shared by Muslims [17 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 21, 2008 17:49

  Did I say it was? [68 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 22, 2008 16:15

  Jennifer's selective interpretations. [389 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 22, 2008 16:45

  One question, Zzazz [16 words]

jennifer solis 

Mar 23, 2008 02:29

  More resources [55 words]

zazzeefrazzee 

Mar 24, 2008 01:41

OK ... OK ... I GIVE UP ... JESUS IS ALLAH ... WHO WILL AGREE WITH ME??? [965 words]

Oliver 

Feb 17, 2008 17:06

please...please get an education [186 words]

MM 

Feb 13, 2008 12:14

  there is no ilah but allah ... [236 words]

oliver 

Feb 13, 2008 23:46

  A fine thesis- up to a point [85 words]

zzaazzeefrazzee 

Feb 15, 2008 16:39

  our dear Zzazz al-farkha wa al-bayda [169 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 15, 2008 21:28

  and YOUR sources are? [42 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 16, 2008 23:53

  It's not about me ... [214 words]

Oliver 

Feb 17, 2008 13:48

  Elohim is not another god [138 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 21, 2008 10:44

  Allah IS the NAME of the god of Islam - PERIOD [557 words]

Oliver 

Feb 23, 2008 19:56

  Religious absolutists of any stripe are odious [57 words]

No_Absolute 

Feb 24, 2008 21:48

  El=Al [293 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Feb 25, 2008 01:53

  I have no problem with agreeing to disagree - however - I will not engage in 'NAME' calling ... [826 words]

Oliver 

Feb 25, 2008 22:11

  are YOU talkin' to ME??? [18 words]

Oliver 

Feb 25, 2008 22:20

  Shall we remove "God" from the bible? [227 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 26, 2008 22:40

  Just call me - Oliver [727 words]

Oliver 

Feb 27, 2008 22:47

  More bogus falsafa from our dear zzazz [305 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 29, 2008 19:05

  More poor Muslim logic from no other than our dear zzazz [406 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 29, 2008 19:32

  More Logical fallacies (and very poorly written English) from Dhimmi. [1175 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Mar 4, 2008 19:20

  More bogus Arabic from our dear zzazz [177 words]

dhimmi no more 

Mar 9, 2008 10:17

Is Allah God? [26 words]

Guy Leven-Torres 

Feb 8, 2008 06:29

Elaha=God, Allah= God of Gods! [252 words]

RF 

Feb 5, 2008 23:37

  It is actually the definite, not plural form [33 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 15, 2008 16:19

  Gem time from our dear Zzazz [134 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 15, 2008 21:39

  Elaha & Allah [216 words]

RF 

Feb 16, 2008 00:28

  More Bogus Arabic from our dear Zzazz and his credibility is on the line and Allahuma! [534 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 16, 2008 09:22

  Our dear Zzazz ina tafkiruhu al-3aqli laysa mawjood [57 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 16, 2008 18:57

  dhimmi needs to chill [362 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Feb 17, 2008 00:15

  Allah is very much found in the Arabic bible [59 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 17, 2008 00:20

  OK dhimmi, I get your point [121 words]

zzazzefrazzee 

Feb 17, 2008 00:26

  More Bogus Arabic from not other than Zzazz [110 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 18, 2008 07:02

  Our dear Zzazz I found the word Dieu in the French translation of the Qur'an [211 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 19, 2008 08:10

  Just trying! [464 words]

RF 

Feb 19, 2008 19:23

  What is really the Qur'an? [555 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 19, 2008 20:48

  The logic of Muslims [113 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 19, 2008 21:01

  What is really Quran [102 words]

RF 

Feb 20, 2008 18:49

  Dhimmi-please provide a source for your claims [122 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 21, 2008 10:50

  Dhimmi, your argument is a non-sequitur [161 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 21, 2008 10:59

  Aliha is feminine- it is theplural of "Goddess" not ilah [214 words]

zzazzeefrazzee 

Feb 21, 2008 11:18

  My source for Alaha/ Allaha and Allah and Syriac in the Qur'an [41 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 22, 2008 07:22

  our dear zzazz and an axe to grind! and the why do Christians in the Middle east call their God Allah? [416 words]

dhimmi no more 

Feb 22, 2008 18:26

Direct literal Trranslation of Sarkozy's comments from French to English ( free of charge ) [142 words]

J Burke 

Jan 25, 2008 09:05

  Corrected Translation [161 words]

Charles Weaver 

Jan 26, 2008 13:24

Update from Malaysia: NOT allowed to use Allah in the Catholic publication [450 words]

JihadWatch 

Jan 4, 2008 01:45

  What Sin A Name? [17 words]

Brian H 

Jan 15, 2008 06:20

  From Allah to ... Christian books [275 words]

JihadWatch 

Jan 23, 2008 02:02

Also Know about the Hindu Allah [147 words]

S.Kanhannan 

Jan 3, 2008 20:03

Is Allah God? [24 words]

Alex Saby 

Dec 26, 2007 20:42

  Allah is the true god [81 words]

anna tylor 

Jan 3, 2008 00:20

  Is Allah God? [65 words]

Alex Saby 

Jan 3, 2008 22:20

  the adventure that MO and you are on [60 words]

JihadWatch 

Jan 4, 2008 01:34

  What Is The Greatest Miracle [43 words]

S.Kanhanna. 

Jan 4, 2008 10:38

  Is Allah God? [26 words]

Alex Saby 

Jan 4, 2008 18:28

  Re : Is Allah God? [25 words]

Nissar Ahmed 

Jan 5, 2008 17:12

  Response to JihadWatch United States [116 words]

anna tylor 

Jan 6, 2008 11:19

  Is Allah God? [10 words]

Alex Saby 

Jan 6, 2008 22:02

  A mole on the back is mark of a prophet!!!! [45 words]

Jaladhi 

Jan 10, 2008 10:32

  Scam [19 words]

Alex Saby 

Jan 10, 2008 21:39

  Allah is NOT the God of the Holy Bible [195 words]

Birutegal 

Jan 18, 2008 08:46

  Allah is not God. Period!!! [126 words]

Jaladhi 

Jan 19, 2008 21:47

  ancient moon god, allah, represented by crescent [46 words]

Birutegal 

Jan 20, 2008 21:02

  The Koran as proof? [51 words]

Linda Haslam 

Jan 21, 2008 14:50

  Moon God worshippers - already ... [41 words]

Oliver 

Jan 21, 2008 22:00

  Righto Anna! [138 words]

larry B. 

Jan 24, 2008 14:35

  Is Allah God? - Continued [248 words]

MO 

Jan 29, 2008 17:21

  A little history lesson for MO [607 words]

Jeff 

Feb 8, 2008 21:22