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Submitted by Shera (Canada), Dec 17, 2006 at 18:33

Susan, you mentioned rape I Muslim countries: how in the world could you connect that to Islam????? Also are there no rapes in western countries?

You also mentioned unfair treatment of non-Muslims by the Muslims during the medieval era. "No, it wasn't a fair treatment, not even for the times."

Plz remember that I'm not a psychic and unless you give examples, I have no idea what you're referring to. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries have always had total freedom to practice their faith. They have never been forced to convert to Islam, which is why many non-Muslim minorities still live in Muslim countries all over the world. Some of them are poor while others are better off. Some Muslims are also poor so this can't be related to religious discrimination. Some off them teach in schools, some Christian kids go to some of the best schools in Muslim countries. December 25th is a holiday in many countries like Pakistan etc. They also broadcast Christian religious programs that day.

So I really can't see what you were referring to. Are you talking abt the poll-tax? But seriously if it was such a big deal, they would not stay in those countries cuz I think any Western country would gladly accept them. Also during the medieval times, many non-Muslims worked along side Muslims writing history, translating Greek philosophy into Syriac and Arabic. Also look up the Academy of Gundishahpur; a very important non-Muslim intellectual center and a renowned center of learning in the Muslim empire. Obviously, you did not know that therefore I will request you not to say something like that unless you are really sure abt that because that will not be a scholastic debate and not suited for this website made by scholars. We all know how much you hat Islam and the Muslims but we are here to argue if Islam is the best religion or not.

"Not only, we don't praise our past costumes. You praise dhimmitude." Again, you made a statement without backing it up! I'm not even going to respond to it. It is not enough just not to praise your past customs. You should feel sorry for them. (e.g. Black slavery, treatment of Aboriginal ppl—plz read more abt this one; I'm not here to teach you history, holocaust, world wars, concentration camps, Komagata Maru etc)Even that is not enough! You have to make sure they never happen again.

You also said that the Holy Quran women should stay at home breeding and nothing else. Susan… where do you get these statements from? Have you even read the Holy Quran? I demand that you quote any verse from its 6666 verses to support your argument of "breeding and nothing else".

Once again please refrain from saying things that you can never back up. Such baseless statements should be allowed to be posted on this website.

I told you to google the rights of mother in Islam and you said: "is there a better view of islam than the one told by the koran?" Once again you show complete ignorance of Islamic teachings. How could you hate something that you know so little abt?

And I actually meant, google search their rights in Quran and you will know the answer.

"Why do I have to look in the internet when there are so many examples of how women are treated in the Islamic world on everyday news?" Once again Susan plz plz plz do us all a favour and stop thinking we are psychics! What are you talking abt? How come I don't hear these news? I live in a western country. President of Bangladesh was a woman, also of Pakistan. Why don't you actually do some research before saying stuff like that? Why are you wasting our time? If women are treated unfairly, all women should be against Islam right? Have you ever talked to a Muslim woman? I bet you hate them too much to go and talk to them.

You mentioned Pir and Khomeini… why should pir have to justify something that Khomeini said? Did he write that book? "Also, Pir tells me that the only Islamic teaching I should listen is Shia" Once again Susan when will you learn? You do have to quote stuff like that so you can't make stuff up or distort its meaning.

"That's why people in Iraq are killing each other. To decide who's right and who's wrong on the child marriage practice." Okay don't get me started on US and Iraq invasion pir already mentioned that to which you never responded. That is how our conversation started… I asked abt the US double cross policy and instead of answering that, you bombarded me with irrelevant questions. Saddam was put in charge by the US, used to attack Iran, kill the Kurds, and then used to enter Iraq. What is US doing in Iraq? 200 hundred ppl die everyday! Its easy to listen that on the news and then forget abt that but if you have any feelings, you will realize that is a large number. You mentioned earlier: "We do not praise our past [wrong] customs" Bush praises his Iraqi invasion! Seriously, he doesn't care abt anyone living there; he is just too proud to admit his mistake.

"non-muslim people are bringing medicines, food, assistance to your desert lands for free." Yeah… they have to clean their mess don't they?

"If you mohammeddans stayed in your desert lands, be sure nobody would think or say anything about islam"

What's that supposed to mean? Are you admitting that you are jealous because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Is that why you couldn't support any or your arguments with any evidence? Is that the real reason for your hatred? Because Islam is so perfect, you have to find something wrong with it don't you? Just like Daniel Pipes himself said: "Christians no longer expect to take their faith to the Muslims but fear conversions of their own to Islam. The back cover asks, "As mosques appear across the country, people are asking - 'What do I need to know about Islam?'"

And trust me Susan, we wouldn't come here if everyone was full of hate. But the majority of westerners very nice. They don't feel that they have to attack other ppl's faith to make them feel good abt themselves. I live in a non-Muslim country, one of the best countries in the world actually. And I would gladly sacrifice my life to protect it.

"I would like to cure and assist people that do not wish death on us." If we all wished death upon you, would we be playing soccer and cricket with you in the world cups? Please Susan there is no justification of hate, love gives peace to your mind. You can hate us all you want though, we don't care… you don't reli matter that much. Do feel sorry for you tho cuz you are so full of hate that you can't see the other side. It is no use arguing with you cuz no matter how much we try to persuade you, no matter how much we prove that you prejudices are wrong, instead of admitting, when you feel defeated, you come up with more questions. And apparently you hate us, we don't hate you. This is the message every Muslim is trying to get across on this forum but you seem to know us better than we know ourselves.

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