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Submitted by Pir Sahab (Bangladesh), Nov 19, 2006 at 08:35

Pir sahab whom you are trying to make fool

I don't need to make a person fool who already got that characteristic

Are you telling that KORAN and hadiths are wrong?

Quran hakeem and the Hadees are absolutely right.

But if you believe that they are true ,Read those with your own intelligence and tell us what is in it.

After a deep study of Quran and hadees, I have come to the conclusion that they are true. Islam stresses on open discussion.

Another funny thing in KORAN is the XXX rated JINNATH. You may argue that it is metamorphic but ask an ordinary Muslim or even to BIN LADEN and tell us Islam is the religion of LOGIC

Jannat by Islam/Quran means the HEAVEN. Since the Christian also believe in the same concept of Heaven. Jinnatt/Heaven means the place where believers ( in Oneness of Allah/God) after the end of times/world will live for ever. You mentioned XXX rated Jinnath. Islam not only a religion but complete code of life prohibits its followers from sexual activities (only legal sex/marriage is allowed). In reward Islam promises the believers that there will be beautiful wives for the followers in Jinnath/ Heaven. That is the overall concept.

Now you come to the history and contemporary events and tell us about the religion of peace. Pir sahab some questions to you

Why not Sir?? You didn't give any answer to the questions, which I asked in my previous comment. But I will try to respond your questions, which have quite different nature and are more political issues than religious

In 1911 Turkey has 40% non Muslims (mainly Christians). Now the 'secular Turkey is 99.9% Muslims. If the all converted to Islam? If not where had they gone?

The lives of those 40% non- Muslims (mainly Christians) had been used in the World War 1, which was fought between two coalitions of European countries, The Allied Powers and the Central Powers.

If Islam is the religion of peace why so much curse, hatred, terror in Koran?

Who said curse, hatred and terror is in Islam. My dear as I explained Islam is the religion of peace, nature and its beliefs are based on logic and reasoning. I repeat Islam not just a religion but also a complete code of life. I emphasize it's the religion of human nature.

To support my comments I would like to quote the words of a Western Journalist Michel Foucault when visited Iran during the times of revolution says ………"As an Islamic movement it can set the entire region afire, overturn the most unstable regimes, and disturb the most solid," Foucault wrote enthusiastically. "Islam — which is not simply a religion, but an entire way of life, an adherence to a history and a civilization."

If you don't mind I would introduce Quran to you. Quran, being a universal and God gifted book, having each of its sentences full of Logic, reasoning and intellect…. is not limited for the Muslims but also addresses the whole mankind. Quran addresses many types of people

Among them one are the believers and the other are the non-believers. Similarly Allah addresses directly to his Holly Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Has your holly book(bible) the same characteristics? Probably No. According to our belief Bible has some limitations among which one is that Bible doesn't address whole mankind and it's teachings undoubtly sacred but not up to date,but Quran on the other hand is for whole human kind and is up to date. Now coming to the point, does Quran promote terror, curse and hate? I quote some of the holy verses of The Holly Quran. You read yourself and decide.

God commands justice, the doing of good, and liberality to kith and kin, and He forbids all shameful deeds, and injustice and rebellion: He instructs you, that ye may receive admonition.
[Qur'an 16:90]

6.152] And do not approach the property of the orphan except in the best manner until he attains his maturity, and give full measure and weight with justice-- We do not impose on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability; and when you speak, then be just though it be (against) a relative, and fulfill Allah's covenant; this He has enjoined you with that you may be mindful;

[49.9] And if two parties of the believers quarrel, make peace between them; but if one of them acts wrongfully towards the other, fight that which acts wrongfully until it returns to Allah's command; then if it returns, make peace between them with justice and act equitably; surely Allah loves those who act equitably.

And Allah created you of dust, then of the life-germ, then He made you pairs; and no female bears, nor does she bring forth, except with His knowledge; and no one whose life is lengthened has his life lengthened, nor is aught diminished of one's life, but it is all in a book; surely this is easy to Allah.

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most God fearing of you. God is All –knowing, all aware. Chapter 49 verse 13

"There shall be no coercion in matters of faith" (2:256)

"And so (O Prophet) exhort them; your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel" (88:21-22).

(Preaching of Islam to all mankind is the necessary duty of any muslim, so that the unbelievers on the doomsday may not make lame excuses that they didn't knew the God and no one told them)

"Call you (all humanity) unto your Lord's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly (and convincing) manner (16:25).

"And do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly suppress the truth" (2:42).

"O you who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in upholding equity, bearing witness to the truth, for the sake of God, even though it be against your own selves or your parents and kinsfolk.... " (4:135)

"... Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity, and never let hatred lead you into the sins of deviation from justice .... (5:8)

But help one another in furthering virtue and God-consciousness, and not in furthering evil and enmity." (5:2)

"And enjoin upon one another the keeping to truth . . . and enjoin upon one another patience (and firmness) in adversity" (103:3)

"To deliver all that you have been entrusted with unto those who are entitled thereto, and whenever you rule between people to rule with justice" (4:58-59). "... and who can be a better lawgiver than God?" (5:50)

If it is the religion of reasoning why Koran is abusing the Christianity by making their GOD (jesus ) a mere prophet without any proof

Don't ask me the Question. Ask Quran by your self, the answer is below. Read and think (as Islam emphasizes to think more and more).

[19.88] And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son.
[19.89] Certainly you have made an abominable assertion
[19.90] The heavens may almost be rent thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces,
[19.91] That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God.
[19.92] And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.
[19.93] There is no one in the heavens and the earth but will come to the Beneficent God as a servant.
[19.94] Certainly He has a comprehensive knowledge of them and He has numbered them a (comprehensive) numbering.
[19.95] And every one of them will come to Him on the day of resurrection alone.
[19.96] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good deeds for t them will Allah bring about love.
[19.97] So We have only made it easy in your tongue that you may give good news thereby to those who guard (against evil) and warn thereby a vehemently contentious people.
[19.98] And how many a generation have We destroyed before them! Do you see any one of them or hear a sound of them?

As I stated earlier Bible had some limitations among which one is that Bible doesn't address whole mankind and it's teachings undoubtly sacred but not up to date, but Quran on the other hand is for whole human kind and is up to date. We believe in Torah (the book of Jews) too and it also was send by Allah for the Jews of the time and was limited. But Quran is the latest of all the books ( Muslims believe in four books Torah, Zaboor, Bible and the Final holly book Quran).

or without thinking that Bible came to earth earlier to Koran. ?

The Torah (Jews holy book) came earlier to earth than Bible, then why the Christians don't believe in Torah, and why don't they leave Bible. But Muslims believe in all the books, believing Quran as the last Holly book. (Read the letters of "Barnabas Saint" which are still there in Vatican City.)

Genocide committed in the name of Allah:

I accept some of these barbarian activities by the Muslims. But if you go through the history you will come to know that most of these were done due to the influence of the West. Like the Idi Amin of Uganda and most of the African countries were and still are poor and their policies are influenced by the United States. Idi Amin forcefully send back all the Pakistani (Muslim) and Indian (Hindu) business men to their country, So if a person is cruel to his own muslim fellow beings then how we can expect him to be lenient towards others. Similarly you talk about the killing of 10,000 hindu kashmiris but what about the world's largest democracy (India) and its brutality towards the Kashmiri Muslims who are fighting for their rights. United States has interests in Kashmir issue and don't want its solution. As a result hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri muslims have been killed till now and Indian army is violating the basic human rights in Kashmir. Why US don't talk about it?

List does not end here....

Of course the list doesn't ends here

European countries enslaved the Africans and there is not any Sovereign country in Africa. Due to poverty these people bow before the Europe and US and the frond line supporters of Human Rights are demonstrating selfishness.

There was a racial discrimination among blacks and whites in Europe. The blacks were considered to be worst. There was no place in Restaurants, Offices and parks for the black people. Very nice….

Except Spain every corner of the globe was disrupted by the Europe and still is.

The FBI punishment tools are considered to be the worst and inhuman tools of torture.

What happened in Vietnam? The United States became involved in Vietnam because American policymakers believed that if the entire country fell under a Communist government, Communism would spread throughout Southeast Asia. This belief was known as the "domino theory." The U.S. government, therefore, helped to create the anti-Communist South Vietnamese government. The American brutality was not only against Muslims but also against the communists. If you say Muslims are terrorists, okk… but why you were afraid of the communists? Come to the conclusion there was not any war against terrorists, but it was (and still it is) war to occupy territories and resources and control over other nations and dream of ruling the world.

What the Serb Christian army did with the Bosnian Muslims?

America was responsible for the Gulf war. US persuaded the Iraqi govt to fight with Kuwait.

List does not end here....

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