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sTs - Muslims have the corrupt history tale

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Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jun 2, 2008 at 07:35

sTs writes:

""There is no compulsion in religion, The right path has come distinct from the wrong path, whoever disbelieve and reject in evil and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break, and God is All-Hearer, All-Knower"

Do these two verses want Muslims to subjugate people. honestly !!!!

Well, not on the face of it - but what is it saying really ? '... whoever disbelieve..'? Disbelieve what?

but, as usual, like most Muslims unable to look at the real facts of your religion you leave out more pertinent texts such as Sura 5, Ayat 32

.....Indeed, the punishment of those who fight Allah and His Messenger and go around corrupting the land is to be killed, crucified, have their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or to be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this life, and in the life to come theirs will be a terrible punishment.

and Sura 9.73: "O Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal harshly with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."

"Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] ... who do not profess the true religion, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (9.29) "

"Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them. For we have already sent down clear revelations and the unbelievers will have a humiliating penalty. (58.5) "

"Allah revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!" That was because they defied Allah and His apostle. He that defies Allah and his apostle shall be sternly punished by Allah. (8.12-13) "

"Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48.29) "

Now I quote you here - 'Do these two* verses want Muslims to subjugate people. honestly !!!!'

I found 7 without looking very hard. And you as a Muslim, should be well aware of these passages You're not being very honest with us are you? Not setting a very good example there at all. But all that has done is reinforce my belief in the duplicity of people promoting your cult.

Native inhabitants? Please refer to this article at a university and while reading (keep in mind your previous statement: "........and for supporting the existence of a Jewish state in a land that was taken by force from its native original inhabitants, and for causing misery and hardship to our people in Palestine."

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/islam/caliphate/umTerritory.html

Other similar credible sources on the not so peaceful conquest of North Africa and most of Spain are easily found with a simple google search.

( By the way,what's with this 'our people' stuff? Who is 'our'?)

sTs: "We hate America for its evil and mischief in the world and for supporting the existence of a Jewish state in a land that was taken by force from its native original inhabitants, and for causing misery and hardship to our people in Palestine."

Of what evil and mischief do you speak oh learned one?

I think you just hate white people in general - you can't stand the Israelis being in the sacred Arab lands can you?

If it wasn't for the Amercians buying your oil over the last 60 years - your own country would be in as big a squalor as many of the other countries in the Middle east. You're very happy to be able to use the Internet though aren't you, and use computers and televisions and anything else with integrated circuits in them... and you're probably keeping cool now in your desert dwelling using an airconditioner - another invention from those evil Infidels in the US. You and your sheiks are more than happy to use jet engines to fly to Europe when you feel like it - jets were invented by the evil Americans' evil cousins - the evil British. As was just about everything you use in your day to day life that has any technological sophistication behind it.

"The basis of Islam and Shari'a law are better than the American constitution , or be it, better than any constitution in the world. if it is applied to the letter, you will not see crimes, you will see justice"

Your capacity for self deception knows no bounds!! Are you joking??? Sharia law IS a crime in itself.

"In a troubling report on the execution of minors in Iran, Amnesty International said yesterday that at least 71 child offenders are on death row and more than 24 have been executed since 1990, more than in any other country.Defendants younger than 18 are being hanged after swift decisions and hurried procedures, said the report, "Iran: The Last Executioner of Children." Of the 24 child offenders reported executed, 11 were still younger than 18 at the time of their deaths. Under Iranian law, capital offenses include adultery by married people, incest, rape, four convictions of an unmarried person for fornication, three convictions for drinking alcohol, or four convictions for homosexual acts among men.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3311

Did you read that last one?? I bet you're secretly thinking 'he got what he deserved' aren't you? If you have an ounce of human decency in you - you'd abhor the fact that someone (a doctor in this case) can be put to death by a government run by fanatics for expressing what he truly believes (and which is patently obvious) . But I expect you're not in a bit of a bind there , not having an existential dilema in the slightest? As a good Muslim - you probably approve of it.

"Go to Muslim country or Arab countries, you feel at peace there, "

I've been to a Muslim country - I felt no different. Having abhorrent laws - where the atmosphere holds you in a straightjacket - and the people don't even have the freedom to think to do the wrong thing - does not mean you have inner peace at all. In fact it just creates blandness and stifles real progress. Now let's use Gaza as an example. Forget about what you think the reasons might be for their present state. Those people are not terribly peaceful are they? Their circumstances are a bit more trying than yours - so where is all their Islamic 'peace' - were they ever taught in their religion or otherwise heard of forbearance, equanamity, tolerance?

Did their Islamic 'peace' unravel all of a sudden - because external conditions just got a little bit worse? Situations like they are in have happened for ALL people at some stage - 60 years ago it was the British in London who were having a rough time of it under German bombardment. Did they carry on like the Gazan's now?

You see - it's all very well acting peacefully when you've deluded a whole society into accepting strict patterns of behaviour and you have enough food and enough pleasures to make life comfortable. The real test of how real the 'Islamic 'peace is - is demonstrated when things start to get unravelled. How peaceful are the Imams etc etc when they want to kill a person for disagreeing with what they believe in? If that's all it takes to destroy their 'peace' - is that sort of peace worth having?

"I live in UAE, I live in heaven, you can walk all day long 24 hours in the streets and in any neighbourhood no one will stop you or attack you,"

sure - if you're an Arab Muslim maybe. But what if I was a white Christian and chose to wear a crucifix for example (like we allow Muslim woman here to wear Hejabs , burkahs, etc). Wouldn't I have a bit of a problem? It's not like I'm going to make a lot of friends is it?

"If you agree that the Jews should have a state in Palestine, then you agree to their methods of killing and expelling the original native inhabitants, then you are a terrorist"

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