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Submitted by Haley (Canada), Sep 10, 2011 at 19:04

The fact that you see so many contradictions should already point you to the direction of further research. "Muslims say that its forbidden in quran to kill a human being, yet in some verses its been said to kill those who do not place their belief on allah." It never ever says kill those who do not place their belief in God. The context is always important.

In the context that Muslims (who at the time of the revelation were a minority and aggressively exiled from their homes by the reigning politicians of the time) are under attack, they have a right to defend themselves with equal or less violence. Actual killing is only endorsed when it's a kill or be killed situation. For example, when people stoned muslims, or when the Prophet's neighbor would throw her garbage on him everytime he walked by her home, the Quran did not say "kill the jerks!". Only when their enemies decided to come into their exiled community from two directions and get them all killed did the verse endorsing jihad come in.

"and many moulvis around the world try to link their relegion with the prevailing religion saying that even that relegion was from the same god. If it is so, how it could be so different?" Fair enough, but you have to see the full reasoning. No one (despite all clues to the contrary) is that stupid to believe such a apparently faulty argument. What Muslims believe is that all the religions "of the book", or semitic religions, originated from the same moral code source, however they were all tampered with. So, for example the bible, while originally reflecting true events, soon became cut and edited to fit the agenda of the leaderships it passed through. This is actually an undeniable fact, because many books in the bible were omitted by the church. not all the disciples are accounted for in the modern day bible. The translation from hebrew to greek to latin has left a lot of the msgs of what remains of the bible missing. The Quran (again, an undeniable fact by muslims and non-muslims) has not been tampered with. So, muslims believe that all religions follow the same story, it's just that the quran is the most accurate source for them.

"Moulvis try to brain wash people in some way or the other and want to get them converted to their religion by hook or crook." So do the leaders of the freeworld; so does the modern press; and 4th branch of the american government. So did every human insitution that involved politics and polictians. There was nothing but hook and crook in the entire process of pressing communism and capitalism down the world's throat during the cold war. It makes absolutely no sense to use such a grand logical fallacy to demonize one religion.

"If he is a creator(the most powerful) why did he leave us to our wish,-whether to believe him or not? Dont say that its because of the satan(shehtaan), because if u say so u will be making satanstronger than your god." Again, I am not even muslim and I can fathom the answer. You should seriously think a little more before you make such arrogant presumptions. The entire mythology circulates around an idea of choice.

"if he is so powerful he could have atleast rescued those innosents who get killed for the sins they had not committed." Upon the premise that God exists, then it follows that life after death also must exist. As such, death could be as much an act of grace by this God as an act of punishment. The argument you make is so rudimentary.

"if he takes care of all his believers, why does he allow muslims to die in bomb blasts in the name of sects?" a suicide bomber is not necessarily a believer in islam. The fact that the terrorists like claiming so, does not make it true. Stalin claimed he was a communist, but he was not. Obama claimed to be a progressive, but he denies it now. Why would we take such people's claims at face value just because it makes our bigotry justified?

"you say that you do not worship the black stone in kaba but allah but still you go around kaba, turn towards kaba and try to adore the stone(is it not a sign of idol worship)" Fair enough (I say this because aside from Islam, I an fascinated by the precepts of hinduism), however Muslims worship the black stone as much as zoroastrians worship fire. Neither do, lol. The Kabah, as Rumi has put it, creates a uniting point. If you remove the black rock while the worshippers are prostrate, you will find that the worshipers are bowing to each other. Because in the Quran it says that god is found in the heart of every person, and as such concentrating all those singular prostrations to one direction empowers the feeling of worshiping a uniting, singular entity. The is not the stone, it's the concept of centralized prayer power, so to speak. the stone just provides a marker.

"And you say we worship only allah but if you see others doing that and hear other idol worshippers saying we worship god in the true spirit of the holy soul in the form of an idol you dont seem to accept" The idols in idol worship are attributed names and specific powers. The issue Islam (being monotheistic) has with idol worship is that it divides centrality and uniform power. It breaks the perfect and creates powerful imperfections. I.e., each "god" in the pantheon of idolatry is subject to certain weaknesses, they can be fought by other gods, defeated. They need nurturing and reverence to survive, and ultimately do not provide a final and perfect source of hope for humanity in times of trouble. Remember, the idea is creating a central, perfect power source. So, if you speak of Brahmin, for example, Islam takes no issues. And incidentally, there is no idol of Brahmin, because there cannot be, because Brahmin IS, and cannot be broken. Shiva, Indra, Mars, Hades, and the such, however, are not only made idols of but they are weak.

Satan has not blocked your ears; the mass media has. If you sat across Socrates right now he would remind you that making an argument when you have not even researched the sources from which you gather your information is a straight road through all the logical fallacies there are.

dont say that satan has blocked my ears!

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