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Submitted by TRUTH ALONE PREVAILS (India), May 6, 2012 at 08:42

First of all, Dear Azmat Zuberi, I am afraid that your logic is beyond my understanding. How can you use blame game to prove that you are gr8?

So what if muslims killed 100 million, others killed more. Are you serious? Is this a way to defend anything by any logic? How can counting the mistakes by others will prove that you are great? Which gr8ness do you claim to recognize by proving others as false? Look at Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism etc. They never advocate killing the infidel by any chance.

OK - Now, I look at your comment to analyze them

The word "Islam" has many meanings. one of which is "Peace". if we were to use the word "sa-la-ma" instead, that would also signify a subject and a pronoun ("he was at peace"). whereas the word "Islam" signifies the act of surrendering and propogating peace. so the word Islam comprises a broader and complete sense of the religion of Islam and its purpose for the believer.

OK. That's right BUT the problem is with perception. You surrender in front of GOD and preach peace - justified. But, it should NOT involve forcing others to surrender in front of your GOD. Are you getting me?

Whichever nation was ruled by Muslims, whether it be Persia (Iran), Mesopotamia (Iraq), Sumeria (Egypt), Africa, Arab (Arabia), Malaysia, Indonesia, Aryavart (Indian subcontinent) etc. - They made people forcefully accept Islam. How will you justify that?

now, Islam establishes not only a peace between its Creator (Allah) and the believer, but also with the world at large.

I dont think muslims are at peace with each other. How will you define Shia - Sunni wars? Afghanistan and Pakistan (countries with 97% muslim population) tops the world's list of honour killings and rapes. How will you explain that? Somewhere you quoted ( source http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/53560 ) about Hadhrat Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed calling him Avatar of Hindu prophet Krishna. I respect him BUT do Muslims respect him? Just search it on google - PERSECUTION OF AHMEDIYYA QADIYANI and see yourself.

The only solution to Islamic problem is Hadhrat Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed (AS). We need some true reformer like him BUT his adherents are on the muslim hit list. What solution do you propose?

"It may be that Allah will bring about love between you and those of them with whom you are now at enmity... Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out from your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable." - Holy Qur'an, 60:8-9

The verse is good. In short it says that you must kill those who want to kill you. It forbids killing those who do not want to kill us. But, how will you justify muslim rulers bombing stupas of Buddha using Dynamite? 5 months back, there was a news that Egyptian Imaams plan to destroy pyramids of Egypt. What will you say on that? Please dont say that pyramids were at wars with muslims. Similarly, in Rome, Muslims are planning to destroy Churches. I need NOT count how many temples you destroyed in IND. That cannot be counted. Same has been validated by Prof. Will Durant, Koenraad Elst and Stephen Knapp.

Islam is only religion which honours destruction of religious buildings of non adherents.

In regards to the current situation of Muslims in the world and Terrorism. Islam is at opposite poles with terrorism. The Holy Qur'an specifically mentions that "the taking of one innocent life is like taking all of Mankind... and the saving of one life is like saving all of Mankind" - Holy Qur'an, 5:33.

This is Sura 5 Aayaat 32. NOT 33.

This is actual translation by mohamed marmaduke pickthall.

For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

It clearly states that murder should NOT be for manslaughter OR corruption on this planet. Further Quran 5:33 mandates killing of corrupter of land. There are stories in Hadiths where a man insulted prophet. He was called corruption on Earth. So, Muslims can kill any NON Muslim and they will just prove that the dead NON Muslim insulted prophet. No punishment can be issued to them.

Sahih Bukhari Vol.9 No.50 says that

no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever).

The only form of terrorism recognized by Islam is killing a muslim.

the allegations thrown on Islam are deviod of truth, but let us not forget that there is a duality in the world and double standards exists everywhere. the same can be said of the Christian Crusades that specifically mentioned the 'killing of infidels (Muslims' and those who 'do not believe in Christ'. this was ordered by the then Pope Urban II. also the Inquisition that was lead was lead and sought the killing of Jews and Muslims at the hands of Christians, and was sanctioned under the church. what about Communism? Stalin and his brutal dictorship that killed an estimated 30 Million people during his reign?

This is NOT how Crusades happened. Who told you that only Muslims were killed in that war? More Christians were dead than muslims. While Crusades was horrible and so was Stalin. Islam was NOT any lesser horrible. 270 million lost their lives to Islam. Even Adolf Hitler, the so called evil Nazi leader converted to Islam from Christianity (source: http://islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Heil-Hitler-Heil-Muhammad.htm )

Further we need to forget the past and look at the present.

  1. Do Christians still believe in Crusades? No.
  2. Are Germans proud of Nazi - ism? No.
  3. Does the world thinks of adopting Communism? No.

This is the benefit of reform. People correct their mistakes and go ahead. Is Islam reformed by any chance? I don't think so. Persian champion Ayatullah Rohullah Khomeini used to spit on them who said - ISLAM IS AGAINST WAGING WAR. Muslims still love fighting in the name of Allah.

so you see, there is an unfortunate duality prevalent in the world and no religion from God advocates the killing of innocents, for they are all creatures of the Almighty and one is accountable for his deeds and actions before God.

Yes. Killing of innocent is prohibited. That is NOT the problem. The problem is with definition of innocent. See Quran 4:93 (Translated by Mohamed Marmaduke Pickthall)

Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.

Only innocent person recognized by Quran is a muslim. Islam does NOT consider NON Muslim as innocent. UK scholar Sheikh Anjem Chaudhary used to say - WHEN WE THINK INNOCENT, WE DONOT COUNT NON MUSLIMS AS THEY HAVE SINNED AGAINST ALLAH. ONLY INNOCENT PERSON ON THIS PLANET IS A MUSLIM.

See, I have nothing against Islam. No theory is 100% good. Some bad is there everywhere. While all other religions try to correct what's wrong in them, Islam tries to hide its evil nature. It never tries to correct any mistake. That's why only islam / muslims are under question.

59 of 60 Most Wanted terrorists of America are muslims

All 30 Most Wanted terrorists of IND are muslims

24 of 25 Most Wanted terrorists of UK are muslims

12 of 15 Most Wanted terrorists of Israel are muslims

Look at world designated terrorist organization. 90% of them are Islamic. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations )

WHY ??

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