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The funny "no compulsion in religion" and our dear keith

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 24, 2008 at 06:55

Our dear Keith who is no more another victim of Arabian imperialism wrote

>Sure dhimmi, no problem. It was revealed to show that it was for the children to choose their religion.

Well you get an F for this one

And for the readers: what Keith does not tell us is that the Muslims Ulama sitting in distant Mesopotamia and Iran in the 3rd century of islam trying to figure out what the Qur'an is really saying were puzzled by the "no complusion in religion" verse after all with the wars and the hate and terrorsim that their won people were subjected to such verse did not make any sense. So what was the way out? It was one of two things and they are:

1. Based on the doctrine of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh (the Allah changing his mind doctrine) or abrogation, the infamous ayat al-sayf (the sword verse or Q9:5 which our dear Keith had no clue what ayat al-sayf really means as you shall see below) was revealed to Abul Qasim in surat al-tauba which we are told is the last revealed sura of the Qur'an. Now ayat al-sayf says to: iqtoloo al-mushrikeen or kill the polytheists which is the opposite of the "no compulsion in religion" aya

Now abrogation is about a verse that was revealed after another verse in the same subject matter and the latter would abrogate it so ayat al-sayf would abrogate "the no compulsion."

Final conclusion: there is no "no compulsion" in Islam otherwise we would have had pagans still residing in Mecca

2. And as usual in islam the ulama never agree because no one had a clue what that opaque revelation called the Qur'an really says (eg: surat al-tahreem and did Muhammad only ate bad honey as Ibn Kathir tells us or was there really a Maria al-Qibtiyya but it cannot be both and is it maaliki or is it maliki in surat al-fatiha) so they came up with this little story and it is as follows (see Cook):

"the "no compulsion" verse was revealed with specific reference to a certain group in Mecca. In preislamic times we are told a woman would swear an oath that if she bore a child, she would place it among the local jews the idea being to secure it a long life.When islam came there were some children in this position. So when the jewish tribe of Nadiir was expelled from Medina people said: "but prophet our sons and brothers are among them" To this the prophet had no answer (it makes you wonder where was Gabriel and was he dozing off?) until god sent down the "no compulsion verse" thereby ruling that it was for the children to choose between Judaism and Islam"

Now here are the problems with this little qissa (story of fiction):

1. There is no historical evidence that any Jews lived in the HIjaz before or after Islam and the Rabbinical sources (as well as Syriac and Greek and Copic sources) are silent about such communities and I do believe that the slience here is significant

2. If this story is true which it is not then how come we have no Jews left in Medina? After all the story teller tells us that the people of Medina were telling Muhammad that such children were their brothers and sons?

How come you did not know that?

So much for the confused and confusing Qur'an

>The true religion stands clear from falsehood.

Notice that the "no compulsion verse" does not tell us which one is the true religion. Well it seems that Allah's favorite nation must be the Jews (Q2:47) which means that the religion of the Jews must be " the ture religion."

>Later the Al-sayf ayat

ROTFL Pakistani Arabic. It is ayat al-syaf mr ignorant and do me a favor stick to urdu

>reveals that this true religion will be the only one accepted by God and all other religions will come back into the one true original Islam (submission to the will of God).

Really? so where would I find in ayat al-sayf or even the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic: ina kul al-deyuuna sayarja3oo ila deen al-islam al-deen al-wahid wa al-deen al-haqiq

You will never find such saying in the Qur'an

So what did you learn so far? I suspect nothing as usual

I urge you to stop being a victim of Arabian imperialism

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