Turkey: An Ally No More
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
October 28, 2009
http://www.danielpipes.org/7708/turkey-an-ally-no-more
Translations of this item:
 The foreign ministers of Turkey and Syria met in Aleppo in October 2009. |
"There is no doubt he is our friend," Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, says of Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, even as he accuses Israel's foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman of threatening to use nuclear weapons against Gaza. These outrageous assertions point to the profound change of orientation by Turkey's government, for six decades the West's closest Muslim ally, since Erdoğan's AK party came to power in 2002.
Three events this past month reveal the extent of that change. The first came on October 11 with the news that the Turkish military – a long-time bastion of secularism and advocate of cooperation with Israel – abruptly asked Israeli forces not to participate in the annual "Anatolian Eagle" air force exercise.
Erdoğan cited "diplomatic sensitivities" for the cancelation and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu spoke of "sensitivity on Gaza, East Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa mosque." The Turks specifically rejected Israeli planes that may have attacked Hamas (an Islamist terrorist organization) during last winter's Gaza Strip operation. While Damascus applauded the disinvitation, it prompted the U.S. and Italian governments to withdraw their forces from Anatolian Eagle, which in turn meant canceling the international exercise.
As for the Israelis, this "sudden and unexpected" shift shook to the core their military alignment with Turkey, in place since 1996. Former air force chief Eytan Ben-Eliyahu, for example, called the cancelation "a seriously worrying development." Jerusalem immediately responded by reviewing Israel's practice of supplying Turkey with advanced weapons, such as the recent $140 million sale to the Turkish Air Force of targeting pods. The idea also arose to stop helping the Turks defeat the Armenian genocide resolutions that regularly appear before the U.S. Congress.
 Ministers of the Turkish and Syrian governments met at the border town of Öncüpınar and symbolically lifted a bar dividing their two countries on October 13. |
Barry Rubin of the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya not only argues that "The Israel-Turkey alliance is over" but concludes that Turkey's armed forces no longer guard the secular republic and can no longer intervene when the government becomes too Islamist.
The second event took place two days later, on October 13, when Syria's Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem announced that Turkish and Syrian forces had just "carried out maneuvers near Ankara." Moallem rightly called this an important development "because it refutes reports of poor relations between the military and political institutions in Turkey over strategic relations with Syria." Translation: Turkey's armed forces lost out to its politicians.
Thirdly, ten Turkish ministers, led by Davutoğlu, joined their Syrian counterparts on October 13 for talks under the auspices of the just-established "Turkey-Syria High Level Strategic Cooperation Council." The ministers announced having signed almost 40 agreements to be implemented within 10 days; that "a more comprehensive, a bigger" joint land military exercise would be held than the first one in April; and that the two countries' leaders would sign a strategic agreement in November.
 The cover of Ahmet Davutoğlu's book, "Strategic Depth: Turkey's International Position." |
The council's concluding joint statement announced the formation of "a long-term strategic partnership" between the two sides "to bolster and expand their cooperation in a wide spectrum of issues of mutual benefit and interest and strengthen the cultural bonds and solidarity among their peoples." The council's spirit, Davutoğlu explained, "is common destiny, history and future; we will build the future together," while Moallem called the get-together a "festival to celebrate" the two peoples.
Bilateral relations have indeed been dramatically reversed from a decade earlier, when Ankara came perilously close to war with Syria. But improved ties with Damascus are only one part of a much larger effort by Ankara to enhance relations with regional and Muslim states, a strategy enunciated by Davutoğlu in his influential 2000 book, Stratejik derinlik: Türkiye'nin uluslararası konumu ("Strategic Depth: Turkey's International Position").
In brief, Davutoğlu envisions reduced conflict with neighbors and Turkey emerging as a regional power, a sort-of modernized Ottoman Empire. Implicit in this strategy is a distancing of Turkey from the West in general and Israel in particular. Although not presented in Islamist terms, "strategic depth" closely fits the AK party's Islamist world view.
As Barry Rubin notes, "the Turkish government is closer politically to Iran and Syria than to the United States and Israel." Caroline Glick, a Jerusalem Post columnist, goes further: Ankara already "left the Western alliance and became a full member of the Iranian axis." But official circles in the West seem nearly oblivious to this momentous change in Turkey's allegiance or its implications.
The cost of their error will soon become evident.
Mr. Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.
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Oct. 28, 2009 update: In an article titled "Is Turkey Leaving the West?", Soner Cagaptay of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy writes about the Anatolian Eagle affair that
It marked the first time Turkey's governing Justice and Development Party (AKP) let its increasingly anti-Western rhetoric spill into its foreign policy strategy, and the move may suggest that Turkey's continued cooperation with the West is far from guaranteed.
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Are they with the Free Western world or Islam! [94 words] | Ben Zalman | Oct 29, 2009 13:05 | | Was Turkey Ever Really an Actual Ally? [466 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 28, 2009 17:23 | | Turkey: An Ally No More [16 words] | Nirnie | Oct 28, 2009 16:57 | | Turkey's bid for EU membership? Dead [38 words] | Cheryl M | Oct 28, 2009 16:23 | | ↔ myopic? [21 words] | betsy | Oct 29, 2009 13:08 | | ↔ Turan , not the EU [307 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 16:18 | | The true Turkish color has been revealed [50 words] | Robert | Oct 28, 2009 15:28 | | ↔ what has rabid anti-russian and anti-communist politics led to? [134 words] | G.Vishvas | Oct 29, 2009 05:47 | | ↔ Opening blind eyes [136 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 16:40 | | ↔ You must listen the other side also, [290 words] | Havas | Oct 31, 2009 05:34 | | ↔ The new old world or Jews discussing "the so called holocaust" with Nazi historians [1599 words] | Ianus | Nov 1, 2009 13:35 | | ↔ too long to answer [259 words] | havas | Nov 2, 2009 05:14 | | ↔ To Havas [101 words] | Anne | Nov 2, 2009 05:57 | | ↔ "Europeans believe that Moslems have come to Europe just to earn money. But Allah has a different plan." [953 words] | Ianus | Nov 3, 2009 15:40 | | ↔ there is no true friendship between countries,they are not humans. [204 words] | havas | Nov 4, 2009 01:34 | | ↔ islam is beautiful [280 words] | havas | Nov 6, 2009 14:05 | | ↔ Islam is what it is [181 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 7, 2009 02:04 | | ↔ islam -"this decaying corpse of an immoral Arab Beduin"- is beautiful [1400 words] | Ianus | Nov 7, 2009 14:29 | Does the Israeli government agree with you? [w/response] [100 words] | There is NO Santa Claus | Oct 28, 2009 14:19 | | Closed eyes [30 words] | outspoken2 | Oct 28, 2009 12:18 | | Turkey and NATO [33 words] | Al Pilver | Oct 28, 2009 11:49 | | Turkish education [94 words] | G.Vishvas | Oct 28, 2009 10:55 | | ↔ Turkey sits between Islam and the west - The west can love it or lump it [70 words] | Erol New Zealand | Oct 29, 2009 01:39 | | ↔ Turkey, ex-ally. [5 words] | steven L | Oct 29, 2009 12:00 | | ↔ No justification for turkish ethno-fascism [250 words] | G.Vishvas | Oct 29, 2009 18:31 | | ↔ Turkish education [175 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 18:55 | | ↔ What do Turkish women think? [43 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 19:17 | | ↔ Turkey - two madnesses instead of one [208 words] | Ianus | Oct 31, 2009 15:29 | | ↔ time has changed [62 words] | John | Nov 26, 2009 12:30 | | ↔ Times change but I wouldn't be so sure the Turks do. [159 words] | Ianus | Nov 26, 2009 18:11 | | Turkey's true colors revealed!! [127 words] | Jaladhi | Oct 28, 2009 09:58 | | ↔ Jaladhi-you are so right! [149 words] | portugues | Oct 29, 2009 13:25 | | ı support Erdogan [84 words] | havas | Oct 28, 2009 09:18 | | ↔ Turkey no more an ally. [11 words] | Steven L | Oct 29, 2009 11:55 | | ↔ Turkey's new ideal is JIHAD NOT DEMOCRACY! Hear it from a Turk! [275 words] | Osia | Oct 29, 2009 16:37 | | open questions all around [173 words] | myth | Oct 28, 2009 08:48 | | ↔ The more important construct [371 words] | Ianus | Oct 31, 2009 15:14 | | ↔ answering questions from Ianus and turkish population in german society [307 words] | myth | Nov 1, 2009 08:12 | | ↔ "I understand that you are sensitive about the issue of assimilation. No one can demand that from you... Assimilation is a crime against humanity." Imam Erdogan speaking to Turks in Cologne [1178 words] | Ianus | Nov 3, 2009 10:24 | | ↔ 40kms? [76 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan | Nov 4, 2009 20:55 | | ↔ to Ianus: some clarification on my position [127 words] | myth | Nov 5, 2009 08:03 | | ↔ Distances shrinking from 1500 km to 40 km or even less in twenty years' time [846 words] | Ianus | Nov 7, 2009 12:49 | | ↔ Clarifications [519 words] | Ianus | Nov 7, 2009 15:27 | | ↔ soviet etc [732 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 7, 2009 22:42 | | ↔ Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me [2678 words] | Ianus | Nov 10, 2009 18:52 | | ↔ russia etc [1614 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan | Nov 10, 2009 21:31 | | ↔ The Gorbachovian, not Stalinist USRR !!! [2903 words] | Ianus | Nov 14, 2009 17:55 | | ↔ continuing a sub-plot - peppered examples of excess from another non-religious kind totalitarian system. [2761 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 14, 2009 22:02 | | ↔ Euphemisms from Estonia 1 [2809 words] | Ianus | Nov 19, 2009 15:13 | | ↔ one extreme to the other [3218 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 20, 2009 02:52 | | ↔ Euphemisms from Estonia 2 [2960 words] | Ianus | Nov 20, 2009 16:11 | | ↔ our pet side-topic [1991 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 21, 2009 05:05 | | ↔ The forgotten referendum 17.03.1991 [522 words] | Ianus | Nov 21, 2009 18:26 | | ↔ they choose not to be aligned with Russia. [224 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 21, 2009 23:03 | | Who needs the turks? [183 words] | James Burke | Oct 28, 2009 08:17 | | No surprise [137 words] | Joe Six-Pack | Oct 28, 2009 08:00 | | Turkey drifts South and East [177 words] | Jon | Oct 28, 2009 07:53 | | ↔ Islamic dollars for Turkey's Islamic hearts and minds [866 words] | Ianus | Oct 30, 2009 17:33 | | Losing an Ally & Losing a Country. [203 words] | Tulay | Oct 28, 2009 07:12 | | ↔ The fourth coup d'état [643 words] | Ianus | Oct 31, 2009 16:23 | | Secular Turkey [19 words] | David Guy | Oct 28, 2009 04:33 | | ↔ Turkey's secular hijab or "Kemalism is transient, Islam is permant". [523 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 07:01 | | ↔ Secular Turkey - only a myth!!! [38 words] | Jaladhi | Oct 29, 2009 09:11 | | omission [165 words] | Yuval Brandstetter MD | Oct 28, 2009 03:28 | | ↔ One difference [165 words] | Ianus | Oct 31, 2009 17:20 | | ↔ Tantamount [269 words] | yuval Brandstetter MD | Nov 1, 2009 07:46 | | How to become an ally [198 words] | Onur YAZAN | Oct 28, 2009 02:59 | | ↔ comment on Onur YAZAN's comment - turkish attitude and frustration [287 words] | myth | Oct 29, 2009 09:10 | | ↔ An ally in need is not necessarily an ally indeed. [1528 words] | Ianus | Oct 31, 2009 14:27 | | turkey [95 words] | sse hu | Oct 28, 2009 02:37 | | Turkey and EU [21 words] | T.M | Oct 28, 2009 02:26 | Your last sentence is intritguing [w/response] [9 words] | Abu Nudnik | Oct 28, 2009 01:24 | | Turkey: An Ally No More [22 words] | Steven L | Oct 27, 2009 23:26 | | ↔ Next step [72 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 19:27 | | Turkey an ally noi more [151 words] | Fazal Habib Curmally | Oct 27, 2009 23:16 | | ↔ this is just the beginning [22 words] | Erdogan | Nov 5, 2009 23:09 | | ↔ Turkey an ally no more [56 words] | Fazal Habib Curmally | Nov 6, 2009 22:54 | | ↔ Interesting dissimulations, frauds and betrayals ahead [158 words] | Ianus | Nov 7, 2009 15:48 | | How does the West expect Turkey to be the bridge between the east and west if they don't have ties with both sides ? [165 words] | Sydney Australia | Oct 27, 2009 22:34 | | Europes rejection [157 words] | paul Gertz | Oct 27, 2009 22:29 | | Strange Bedfellows [51 words] | Gerald Lafon | Oct 27, 2009 20:59 | | ↔ "Our relations with Turkey are strong and good. We have been working hard to improve the already excellent relations." [318 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 18:27 | | The Turks are the most confused people on earth [309 words] | dhimmi no more | Oct 27, 2009 20:54 | | ↔ dhimmi= you are right. we say the same thing to turks: You are confused because.... [74 words] | adnan khan | Nov 1, 2009 02:35 | | ↔ "Ayrılık" -"Separation" - Turkey's new anti-Semitic "masterpiece" [320 words] | Ianus | Nov 1, 2009 14:50 | | ↔ such great success [85 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan | Nov 2, 2009 15:45 | | ↔ Come back to real Islam and you will become a failure! [232 words] | Ianus | Nov 2, 2009 18:15 | | ↔ The Turkish soaps [74 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 10, 2009 11:05 | | ↔ Our dear Adanan and Pakistan [38 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 10, 2009 13:35 | | ↔ Ayrilik [115 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 10, 2009 13:53 | | ↔ We Turkish anti-Semites love the Jewish people so much. [1017 words] | Ianus | Nov 11, 2009 08:35 | | ↔ ??? [151 words] | Mirza | Nov 18, 2009 22:54 | | ↔ Our dear Mizra and Turkish self hate [385 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 19, 2009 20:23 | | ↔ definitely a confused dhimmi [121 words] | Mirza Iskandar Khan | Nov 23, 2009 18:07 | | ↔ Our dear Mizra of Arabian imnperialism and self hate [276 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 24, 2009 18:20 | | ↔ Cherry picking time and our dear el-jeneral aka our dear Mizra and the greatest empire [200 words] | dhimmi no more | Nov 25, 2009 17:56 | | ↔ Brainless Dhimmi = FAIL [436 words] | General Mirza Iskandar Khan | Nov 25, 2009 20:43 | | ↔ abandon hope all ye who ..... [21 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Nov 26, 2009 04:55 | | ↔ Cherry picking time and al-baleed wa al-baghl [962 words] | dhimmi no more | Dec 2, 2009 21:04 | | ↔ Dates picking time and how many Muslims in the US! [205 words] | dhimmi no more | Dec 3, 2009 07:41 | | ↔ Our dear Mizra is saying that Armenian infants and children that were killed in the Armenian Genocide were killed because they were TRAITORS [114 words] | dhimmi no more | Dec 3, 2009 08:00 | | What is plan B? [203 words] | Art K. | Oct 27, 2009 20:51 | | European Union [41 words] | Alan Fox | Oct 27, 2009 19:44 | | Nice Work, Obama [10 words] | democratsarefascists | Oct 27, 2009 19:23 | | ↔ Christmas [33 words] | Doug Corrigan | Oct 30, 2009 11:40 | | Dustbins of Turkish history [304 words] | Ianus | Oct 27, 2009 19:01 | | ↔ Poland 99.8% Catholic Monolculture ? God No ! [47 words] | Sydney, Australia | Oct 29, 2009 01:28 | | ↔ Poland 99.8% ...Literacy Monolculture [418 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 17:28 | | Civilized divorce is probably the best option [190 words] | BA | Oct 27, 2009 18:57 | | Keep blaming everyone but Israel... [26 words] | Anthony | Oct 27, 2009 17:43 | | ↔ Protect your citizens even if that causes a loss of "Friends" [81 words] | BA | Oct 29, 2009 01:58 | | ↔ Self-defence "a strategic mistake"? [409 words] | Ianus | Oct 29, 2009 06:33 | | ↔ Beg to differ Anthony [152 words] | Canadian | Oct 29, 2009 23:40 | | ↔ With friends like these.............................. [68 words] | Froike | Oct 30, 2009 09:12 |
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