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"I understand that you are sensitive about the issue of assimilation. No one can demand that from you... Assimilation is a crime against humanity." Imam Erdogan speaking to Turks in Cologne

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Nov 3, 2009 at 10:24

Hi, myth !

Let me address some of your points.

> When I say the NATO is more important than the EU, I say this with respect to european countriess that are members of both. Say for Poland I would assume the population would agree, that it is more important to have their border to Russia protected by NATO than using the euro-money.<

We happen to have just got rid of some overbearing foreign protectors against some more or less imaginary enemies and neither I nor most people I know are against exchanging one occupying force for another. Fooling us with assertions of a shield against North Korea or Iran doesn't work well here. Most people agree also that after being split up and pushed by the US in 1991 Russia - unless provoked by repeated NATO breach of treaties - has no interest to attack us which can't be said of Russia's opponents. NATO is an aboslutely untrustworthy organization. Gorbachov withdrew the Soviet forces on condition NATO forces would not step in ...and now NATO planes and bombs are stationed some 40 km from St. Petersburg. I leave without comment the hyenous role played by NATO in the Balkans. No one wants to have "protectors" of jihadism and destroyers of Serbian cities and villages. You as an Americanized German may perhaps don't care. Yet I do.

As to the Brussels money there so many strings and secret clauses attached to every euro transferred that anyone who has ever accepted it will be bound to the EU gang for ever. Eurabia is being built on the ruin of our freedom and on our corruption.

> As for the acceptance of a Turkey in the EU I would assume the german population to be more balanced, say within 40-60% pro, than political parties.<

"According to an opinion poll conducted the day after Erdogan's provocative statements, 62 percent of all Germans are now against Turkey joining the EU. Back in 2002, that figure only stood at 48 percent. The comparative figures in France, Austria, and other European countries are already much higher."

> It is quite remarkable that turkish people in europe will speak of their government as being islamist and will refer to the muslim brotherhood as well, they are openly critical.<

Are they serious or is it just routine Turkish double-talk ? Turks are notorious liars. When I see masses of Turks in Germany with Turkish hijabs everywhere, Tukish mosques and see the contemptuous attitude of Turks towards their hosts, then I cannot but suspect the real opinion they are for as expressed in their deeds is contrary to their lipservice. Probably, they just parrot the slogans learnt back at home in teh 70-ies and 80-ies without believing in them ? Or by appeasing and fooling suspiscious Germans they are paving the road to taking over Germany ? I have told you how intense the subversive and propaganda activities of Turkey's Fifth Column in Germany are. I am sure the Turks there will side with the winning part in Turkey against their host land as they have been clearly instructed to do by imam Erdogan speaking in Cologne last year "I understand that you are sensitive about the issue of assimilation.No one can demand that from you... assimilation is a crime against humanity." "

> The turkish population in germany is very much part of german mainstream culture in Germany these days, if not a common denominator sub-culture in larger parts of central western Europe.<

It sounds fine as if quoted literally form a German textbook on Poltical Correctness. I just wonder what these catchy phrases might mean when applied to -say- the realities of Kreuzberg ? " I happened to see this "German mainstream culture" one evening in Berlin when Turkish youth were amusing themsevles by throwing a casual German girl into a city fountain, by spitting on, and kicking dogs walked by elderly Germans, by abusing peaceful German passers-by ... True, I was spared the sight of a Turkish honour killing and a blood feud the German papers reluctanly report on. What sort of "cultural wealth" this Anatolian barbarity is though ?

> On the other hand there is a parallel culture streak as well. But the parallel culture is far from being one block in society. Since you speak of german hospitality I am afraid turkish hospitality is greater.

Probably as long as you don't raise any critical issues with them and obediently listen to their myths and lies. German hospitality is different and more selective I definitely prefer it to this Turkish 'hospitality'.

> In Germany that hospitality has been adopted into mainstream culture, unlike in The Netherlands or Belgium. The reason is in Germany there are some common cultural values and passions. Given the bad economical situation as it is experienced more clearly by immigrant groups I doubt that the turks still have an illusion about going to the EU for prosperity.

Well, the worsening economic situation will just spur Turks to make more demands and claims on their host land and will produce the escalation of Turkish violence. The silly German will put up with being unemployed and unneeded. The Turks will have his way to draw attention to German "discrimination".

>fill German prisons, bring savage customs like blood feud, hijab and other notorious Moslem "values" Let me confirm this is a substantial problem within the muslim people for it is german judges who take muslim-background excuses into consideration. Turks who actually grew up in Turkey find much of what is going on in turkish families in the EU quite alien to what they know from back home.<

Good behaviour in a police state can justify no claim to virtue. If it were, then almost all prisoners could be seen as the best and law-abidning citizens. Quite the contrary, it's most instructive to observe what use the Turks make of freedom provided them in the land of the German kafirs, not what conformism they show towards their home-grown tyranny.

To illustrate what I mean let me recall you of a symptomatic case in May 2008 in Iserlohn in Rheinland-Westphalen where a little tribe of Turks attacked and devastated a hospital. I heard of the case from a friend who lives not far from the place. The Turks are Moslems and Moslems in Allah do trust. So when the elderly Turkish woman could be treated in a hospital the Turks prefered to pray and brought her to the hospital only when it was too late. She died there. Yet our "good" Turks blamed not Allah, but the kafirs and decided to settle the scores with the infidel doctors their Turkish way. Special police troops had to be brought to get this unexpected outburst of Turkish "hospitality" under control...I would be curious how the 'hospitable Turks" have been rewarded by the German judges?

It seems that Turkish gangs hunting down Serbs in Germany increasingly belong to the "german mainstream culture" together with Turkish consuls who speak of Nazi "brown blood flowing in German veins".

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