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Allah explains: "It is only by sword and fire that the world is progressing ".

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in response to reader comment: ı hope god forgives you

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Nov 24, 2009 at 09:34

Havas,

Although so unsuccessful and conterproductive, you never give up your farcical efforts to avoid or obfuscate the problems touched upon by me by leaving important things unmentioned, by inventing decorous excuses for heinous Turkish crimes, by introducing stray topics, by raising imaginary charges and by praising non-existent Turkish virtues... You do all of that to deflect the attention from the flagrant Turkish misdeeds and misrule, of course.

Frankly, I find your latest post to be the most ridiculous of all. You invoked your allah for help to punish me- a person who finds your Allah to be the nastiest joke ever told to mankind ! Before that you quoted some obscurantist sufi poet to persuade me that Islam is not what it has always been – a malignant, inhuman death cult and and the driving force of jihad and Moslem crimes.

Do you want to know what I feel about your crooked ways? I assert that you Moslems are so irrational that where Islam is involved (and where isn't it involved for a Moslem? ) you can't distinguish any longer between reality and words, something which here primary school children are quite good at. You take your Islamic utopia for reality! Happy kafiri kids have not been imbued with the psychotropic drug of Islam !

I am going to give you a twofold reply to your meaningless poem and its implicit message. First, I'll quote to you some much later official papers illustrating the barbarity of Islam towards exactly those people you are insidiously trying to represent as happy equal citizens of "multicultural tolerant" Turkey. I doubt though that you'll be able to see what a nasty oriental farce your Yunus Emre turns out to be when his lofty soap poem is compared to the grim reality of Islam !

It's a report form "Correspondence relating to executions in turkey for apostacy from islamism." , London 1844, where we learn the following : " Case of the Armenian Avakim, son of Yagya, of the parish of Top Kapousee. About a year and a half ago Avakim having had a drunken quarrel with some neighbours, was sentenced at the War Office to receive 500 bastinadoes. Fear and intoxication induced him to become a Mussulman, and he was conducted on the spot to the Mehkemé where the name of Mehemet was given him. Some days afterwards Avakim repented of what he had done, and fled to Syra, from whence he returned a few months ago. About three months ago, while returning from his sister's house with a small bundle containing wearing apparel, he was recognized by the Kolaga of the quarter, Mustapha, and denounced at the War Office of having renegaded from Islamism. He was then submitted to the most cruel punishment to compel him to re-abandon his original belief, and was even paraded through the streets with his hands tied behind his back as if for execution. Avakim, however, unintimidated by torture or the prospect of death, proclaimed aloud his firm belief in Christianity, and was led forth to suffer on Wednesday last amidst the execrations of the Ulema partisans. Only one man, Taouk-Bazarli Ali, among the thirty armed police who conducted him, could be prevailed upon to strike the blow. Many of the Turks spat on him as they passed, and openly reviled the faith for which he had died. A Yafta, in the following terms, was affixed on the opposite shop:-- "The Armenian shoemaker, Avakim, son of Yagya, having last year, in the beginning of Moharrem, while at an age of discretion, accepted Islamism, and received the name of Mehemet, some time afterwards renegaded, and having now obstinately persisted in refusing the proffer made to him by the law to re-become a Moslem, sentence of death was awarded unto him according to fetwa, and he has thereby suffered." The first intelligence received in Pera of this occurrence was the appearance in the streets of the unfortunate lad's mother tearing her grey hair, and rushing distractedly from the scene of bloodshed. The poor old woman, when assured of her boy's fate, returned and sat in grief by the corpse, from which she was afterwards removed. A petition of the Armenians for the corpse was rejected, and it was after three days exposure cast into the sea. Constantinople, August 27, 1843."

Second, although I am so fond of quoting ballads, odes, hymns, ditties etc. , yet in this case I'll pay you back with your own coin. I like the following Greek ballad "Kemal" very much . It seems to give a fairly adequate and poignant response to your Moslem sophist.

The ballad which you can see at YouTube may be rendered into English roughly so :

"Hear now the story of Kemal
A young prince from the East
A descendant of Sinbad the Sailor,
Who thought he could change the world.
But implacable is the will of Allah,
And murky are the souls of men …

Once upon a time in the East,
The aqueducts are empty, the mud therein infectious.
In Mosul, in Basra, under an old date-palm,
The children of the desert are bitterly crying.
A young man of ancient and royal race
perceives their lament and hurries to them.
The Bedouins look at him sadly
And he swears by Allah that things will change.

When they learn of the young man's intrepid resolve,
The rulers set off with wolf-like teeth and a lion's mane against him.
From the Tigris to the Euphrates, in heaven and on earth,
They do chase the apostate to catch him alive.
They swoop on him like unleashed bloodhounds,
And take him to the caliph to put the noose around his neck.
Black honey, black milk he drank that morning
Before breathing his last on the gallows.

With two old camels and a red steed,
At the gates of heaven the prophet awaits.
They walk together among the clouds
With the star of Damascus to keep them company.
After a month, after a year, they find Allah
Who, from his high throne, says to foolish Sinbad:
'O my vanquished upstart, things never change!
It is only by fire and sword that the world is progressing".

Goodnight, Kemal. The world will never change. Goodnight…

>Allah seni affetsin...<

Cesedi çürümüş ahlaksiz arabin,Allahina sıcayım,Kuraninin ustune

işiyeyim, islamina tüküreyim.


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