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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Feb 1, 2010 at 16:56

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It is interesting - beside your mastery of Latin - how Tacitus - a staunch Roman could ever identify himself with the speech of the barbarian who was fighting against his own father-in-law Agricola? What the barbarian said about the Romans and what the Romans all stood for are two different things and nobody knew it better than Tacitus.It is the barbarians that were involved in incessant robbery, butchery and rapine. The Romans always put an end to that.They brought Roman Law, built roads and introduced higher culture and institutions to these woodlands and marshes and deserts.Your conclusion is premature and wrong then, Turk, and you'll definitely need to peruse the whole life of Agricola and other works of Tacitus (although I am sure you'll never do ) to see that Tacitus had no doubts about the superiority of the Roman civilization over illiterate barbarity of the Celts with their human sacrifices and mad druidism - the ancient fanatical cult comparable to to Islam.Anyway, what Tacitus puts in the mouth of Galgacus exactly prevailed in Britain after the fall of Rome- some 400 years later with the new age of barbarity in the island and an unparalleled cultural regress and decay.

> "But there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission. Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a desert and call it peace." Chapter 30 , Agricola by Tacitus...

Above are the last few sentences of Calgacus' speech made to his warriors prior battle of Mons Graupius in either AD83 or 84.

Even Tacitus describes Calgacus as "the most distinguished for birth and valour among the chieftains" and admires him , but without having a single clue , you are reverting with a strange , superficial and funny statement asking 'How Tacitus could identify himself with the speech of the barbarian who was fighting against his own father-in-law Agricola'<

I assume that you have received your 'education' in the police state aka Ataturkistan aka Turkey where neither standards of learning nor achievements are very high. We haven't heard of any scientists or scholars of any value. Just like in every police state conformism, platitudes, slogans are promoted and rewarded. Critical thinking is discouraged as it is too dangerous and censors and Islamo-Kemalist despots in power are watchinmg you day and night. And the result -general intellectual stagnation and mediocrity.

You pretend to possess "knowledge" which on closer examination displays the same deficient characteristics all products of Turkishness do. I'll spare you the epithets I was about to add here.

From what you have written so far I infer you are not interested neither in Tacitus [ and I am sure you haven't read a single book by him] nor in Roman or Medieval history. You're too much of a Turk to show real interest for gavurlar past or present. You have come here to do the jobs Turks always do best - plunder this, distort that, invent a lie on this and on that so that to go on straight to your main theme - self-praising litany of "Ne mutlu turkum diyene" and other crap.

Now you write : " but without having a single clue , you are reverting with a strange , superficial and funny statement asking 'How Tacitus could identify himself with the speech of the barbarian who was fighting against his own father-in-law Agricola'"

Now thansk for your 'clues' from which nothing follows.

I consider Tacitus to be both one of the best and deepest Roman historians and an outsanding and impeccable Roman patriot and adherent of the superiority of Graeco-Roman Civilization over barbarity. Just a look at what sort of lessons and philosophy he gives in his treaty on rhetoric assures of that.

He was a good psychologist and knew what to put in the mouth of the barbarians to be realistic. Yet, what the barbarians thought and said is not what Tacitus thought and said at all! I challenge you to prove Tacitus thought Calgacus was right by give me a single clue - you have so many clues around you , don't you - where Tacitus was against Romanization of Britain or other parts of the barbarian lands !!!

What Tacitus clearly believed in follows not from Calcagus words and his anti-Roman propaganda quoted by tacitus but from what Agricola said and did to Romanize Britain. How could you notice this e.g.

" 21. The succeeding winter was employed in the most salutary measures. In order, by a taste of pleasures, to reclaim the natives from that rude and unsettled state which prompted them to war, and reconcile them to quiet and tranquillity, he incited them, by private instigations and public encouragements, to erect temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses. He bestowed commendations upon those who were prompt in complying with his intentions, and reprimanded such as were dilatory; thus promoting a spirit of emulation which had all the force of necessity. He was also attentive to provide a liberal education for the sons of their chieftains, preferring the natural genius of the Britons to the attainments of the Gauls; and his attempts were attended with such success, that they who lately disdained to make use of the Roman language, were now ambitious of becoming eloquent. Hence the Roman habit began to be held in honor, and the toga was frequently worn. At length they gradually deviated into a taste for those luxuries which stimulate to vice; porticos, and baths, and the elegancies of the table; and this, from their inexperience, they termed politeness, whilst, in reality, it constituted a part of their slavery." ?

" temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses ..." Where did Calgacus tell about such things? Does he know them at all? Roman roads, Roman laws, public security instead of incessant bloody tribal wars and lawlessness ? Unimaginable for a Turkish hater of the West based on Rome! And yet if you take a look at Roman archaelogy of Britain you'll see that the barbarians left behind scanty and primitive culture while Roman "temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses" are being unearthed even now. And that with the advent of real barbarty after the fall of Rome all this disappears and is replaced by the old ways ...with human sacrifices and thatched huts instead of stone and brick houses with baths, mosaics, statues. But why bother? The Turk knows "better".

> and jumping to druidism , consequently trying to create a cripled analogy between with Druidism and Islam.(!)

You're also an expert on druidism? How interesting! I understand that Turkish imams (I suspect you're an imam yourself by now) would be very angry if they learned they are like the druid caste among the Celts -a caste of brainwashed fanatics spreadding unverifiable myths, worshipping holy places with pilgrimages and indulging in human sacrifices and bloodshed ... All like in Islam, isn't it ? Which prophet was sent by Allah to teach that early form of Islam ?

> And this is what exactly I was trying to tell to you in my comment with quotation from Tacitus , this was a reply to your statements blabering about your 'untouchable, civilized angels' like Romans and Byzantines , and perception of the same by some others whom you claim to be 'Barbarians' but whose 'devastative' sentences like above, clearly expressing his point of view , are still alive even today.<

Again ,what he put in the barbarian's mouth is not what he believed in. Show me where Tacitus opposed Romanization of Britain ? His world and values are centred around "temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses" , Roman roads, Roman civil society... In short, all your nomadic soul of a Turkish barbarian hates and wants to destroy.

You Turkish barbarians have been the most efficient destroyers of this higher civilization. You have imposed your Moslem savagery upon people superior to you culturally and now come here to continue the same job of barbarization of the West by scolding and desecrating what you yourself have never been able to create and what shows your ugliness. You stole Hagia Sophia and changed it into a mosque because you weren't able to build something better or even similar. You destroyed the superior Byzantine , i.e. late Roman civilization.You enslaved and reduced to the state of slaves its citizens and dare come here to preach "morality" to us! What a parody and outrage !

> Tacitus, Agricola, Dominiatus are only known by a handfull of people now , but the last sentence of Calgacus 'They make a desert and they call it peace' is still everywhere.

That you know neither Tacitus, nor Domitianus nor Agricola goes without saying. That you distort, falsify and plunder Roman history also goes without saying. You are not here to spread or acquire knowledge. You are here to destroy and distort - the only things the Turks have ever excelled in .

> This is the biggest victory of the 'barbarian Calgacus'.

While your pro-Turkish proganda only exposes the biggest victory of barbarity which knows or appreciates no "temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses" over civilization. You're here to steal and plunder in the spiritual sphere as you Turks have stolen, plundered and destroyed in the material sphere.

> Meantime you may like to know ; Agricola was against the invasion of Britain and was called back to Rome immediately after the Battle at Mons Graupinus.<

Wha sort of invasion do you mean? Britain was long in the Roman hands as he arrived there as governor. He also favoured the ivasion of Ireland and thought a legion would do to bring Irland under the Roman rule for ever.

24. [...]I have frequently heard him assert, that a single legion and a few auxiliaries would be sufficient entirely to conquer Ireland and keep it in subjection; and that such an event would also have contributed to restrain the Britons, by awing them with the prospect of the Roman arms all around them, and, as it were, banishing liberty from their sight.

But you say "Agricola was against the invasion of Britain"? Where have you googled that ?

Besides, I wonder what you have googled on what was going on in Domitianus' court or on the Danube at that time ? Nothing? Try again!

> Tacitus always emphasized the honesty,loyalty , determination of Agricola, his father in Law, against despot Emperor Dominiatus. His book was only 'published' after AD 96 following the assasination of Dominiatus and change of the regyme.<

Your google machine works well.

> So dont give me that 'Staunch Roman' argument, for this specific period.<

But it is not enough to learn about what Tacitus really stood for, especially with your backward Islamic mentality and the Turkish record of the brutal extermination of Eastern Rome. You must deny the civilizatory record of Rome not to confronted with your record of extermination of Eastern Rome. So go lie on !

Mutatis mutandis Tacitus' quote is fully applicable to Islamic barbarity and the Turks. What is more, Tacitus has even something valuable to say about today's Kemalism and Turkishness. Idque apud imperitos humanitas vocabatur, cum pars servitutis esset. "Because they didn't know better, they called it 'civilization,' when it was part of their slavery."(Ibidem)

Huh ! This quote is used by Tacitus to describe Britain after the Roman invasion describing their slavery , and now you are distoring the meaning , trying to use it against Turkishness ?

Yes, I do use it to descrieb Turkishness. It has a universal value, even though I admit that "temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses" are perhaps too valuable a thing to be compared to the theft and plundering of Greek and Armenian property and cultural values after the genocides upon which today's Turkey's economy and property system was built.

>Inde etiam habitus nostri honor et frequens toga; paulatimque discessum ad delenimenta vitiorum, porticus et balinea et convivorum elegantiam. Idque apud imperitos humanitas vocabatur, cum pars servitutis esset..

'They adopted our dressing fashion, and begun wearing the togas ; little by little they were drawn to touches such as colonnades, baths, and elegant talks. Because they didn't know better, they called it 'civilization,' when it was part of their slavery"

It supports my argument indeed It is a quote to be used against Western Imprealism you are trying to present under 'enlightenment' BS, not Turkishness...

I quote the whole passage above. And my comment on "It is a quote to be used against Western Imprealism' is contained in the title of my reply to you.

I can also remark that "Western Imprealism' is a favourite phrase of Ghazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha's best friend and savior Vladimir Ilych Lenin. Lenin - just as you and your Kemal he was against Rome and was persuaded of the superiority of raw barbarity over civilization that wasted its time on creating "temples, courts of justice, and dwelling-houses" instead of slaughtering the enemies of the Two Big Friends Brothers - the Kemalist Turk and the Bolshevik!

Anyway, seaking of arguments against 'Western Imprealism' what you Turkish haters of the West would do without teh transfer of Western technology to you? You would hav to revert to the lifestyle of the Yuruk nomads that still keep the old noamdic traditions of the Turks alive. that's good. Who knows perhaps one day more Turks will be forced to live like that too.

> You are scraping the previous part of the text , changing all the meaning and presenting the same as if it supports your argument. Something you always do , something you master in.<

No, I quoted the text in full and commented on it to show exactly the opposite of your silly claims on Calcagus and Tacitus. You don't know Tacitus, of course. What you have managed to google is not enough to hide your defects. You hate what exposes you. And I find it good.

> Additionally , I felt like hearing ' Today's Kemalofascism or Islamo Turko Barbarity' kind of juvenile YouTubish Trivia , I would go and comment on YT instead of coming to this forum.<

That Kemal created a fascist state that has survived until now is as obvious as the absence of freedom of speech in Turkey or the denial of repeated genocides committed by the Turks. But wait...Don't you want to say that Turkey is a flourishng democracy, a paragon of all political freedoms and the highest achievement in mankind's historical development ? ;)

> I already told you not to waste my time , please don't…<

No dissimulations! If you didn't feel so uneasy and insecure about the Turkish lies exposed here, you'd never insist on writing your erratic apologies to defend the indefensible - Turkish barbarity with its consistent record of oppression, recurrent genocides and all possible crimes against civilization now presented by you as a paragon by which to castigate and reject one of the greaest civilizations you Turks destroyed and exterminated since Byzantium was Eastern Rome.


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Shariah [40 words]DawudNov 25, 2009 09:34163927
I must be in good company and mistakes in the Qur'an is spelling and in grammar! What a scandal [411 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2009 08:46163927
Cherry picking time and our dear Dawud [570 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2009 13:12163927
Homes made of glass and dawud [122 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2009 16:01163927
Turkey: An ally no more [48 words]REXNov 1, 2009 13:23163926
I'm not the least surprised : more and more people agree with Daniel Pipes [154 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreOct 31, 2009 05:38163862
turkey [181 words]havasNov 1, 2009 16:26163862
You can understand Daniel Pipes : Turkey finds itself facing a novel problem - that of radical Islam ! [168 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreNov 2, 2009 02:09163862
scholar? [99 words]DawudNov 4, 2009 10:07163862
language [319 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 4, 2009 20:36163862
How can a kafir (non-Muslim) be an "islamic law scholar " ! [203 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreNov 5, 2009 06:00163862
Kafir Scholar [586 words]DawudNov 11, 2009 12:30163862
Women Scholars [226 words]DawudNov 11, 2009 12:42163862
in your imaginings [175 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 11, 2009 20:56163862
The Grand Infidel of kafiristan is brilliant with Dawud (David) ! [88 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreNov 12, 2009 03:40163862
2To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Sûrah 109-Al-kâfirûn) (the Infidels) [186 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreNov 12, 2009 08:32163862
best term so far [117 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 13, 2009 23:19163862
Isn't the term "Islam" good enough ? [143 words]IanusNov 15, 2009 15:14163862
what's our problem? [189 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 15, 2009 23:01163862
'Kafir' Scholarship Not Necessary if One Holds to the Truth in the Hebrew Holy Bible [611 words]M. ToveyNov 18, 2009 17:47163862
hiw [204 words]dawudNov 20, 2009 09:33163862
Islamic self hate [641 words]dhimmi no moreNov 21, 2009 08:27163862
More delusions from our dear Dawud [1047 words]dhimmi no moreNov 22, 2009 15:02163862
may allah guide you [158 words]DawudNov 23, 2009 09:44163862
Turkey as a Piece of the Prophetic Enigma [562 words]M. ToveyNov 23, 2009 12:36163862
Our dear Dawud and islamic self hate [555 words]dhimmi no moreNov 23, 2009 18:47163862
spare us [518 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 23, 2009 21:33163862
Look at this [232 words]DawudNov 25, 2009 09:28163862
No clue [89 words]DawudNov 25, 2009 09:48163862
Hi there [351 words]DawudNov 25, 2009 10:01163862
overseas trip? [291 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 26, 2009 03:39163862
timetable? [836 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 26, 2009 04:29163862
The brotherhood of Islam what a sham [250 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2009 09:00163862
look at what? Ignorance? [874 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2009 15:42163862
There is No Unity if There is No True Belief in Jesus Christ [272 words]M. ToveyDec 2, 2009 12:54163862
My Comment on Out of Context use of لكم دينكم ولي دين to justify even Kufr/ infidelity of Homosexuality [322 words]Bashir KashmiriJun 4, 2011 04:20163862
Why Turkey is turning away from the West [168 words]sol ganorOct 30, 2009 14:05163831
Tragi-comic outcomes [126 words]IanusOct 30, 2009 18:14163831
Ezekiel 38 [24 words]UgriOct 31, 2009 14:25163831
Goodbye turkey, goodbye! [67 words]Doug CorriganOct 30, 2009 09:18163820
Take not the Jews and Christians for allies ! (The Koran) [107 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreOct 29, 2009 21:44163791
Holy Koran (5:51) : very bad translation for arabic word "Awliya" ! [94 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreOct 31, 2009 05:10163791
Turkey- An ally no More- Take not the Jews and Christians for friends-response to Anne Marie Delcambre [106 words]Anne- USAOct 31, 2009 08:03163791
wrong interpretation [124 words]havasNov 1, 2009 16:37163791
Ne Mutlu Türkum Diyene ! (Mustafa Kemal) [242 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreNov 2, 2009 03:35163791
Havas: Jesus is also muslims prophet [98 words]klewNov 2, 2009 18:50163791
No such thing as Jesus was a Muslim prophet!!! [152 words]JaladhiNov 3, 2009 16:55163791
Proper Revelation - Not Interpretation - Necessary to Recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of the Eternal - The Holy One of Israel [344 words]M. ToveyNov 4, 2009 16:09163791
The accusation that Jesus was a Muslim prophet [28 words]Ha! you Muslims are FUNNY!Nov 5, 2009 07:49163791
"Jews and Christians as allies" [218 words]AwliyaNov 13, 2009 05:27163791
magnanimity of expedience [444 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 14, 2009 07:25163791
The problem with Awliya's stance [129 words]klewNov 15, 2009 03:15163791
Grand Infidel [275 words]AwliyaNov 16, 2009 08:28163791
The problem with klew's answer [186 words]AwliyaNov 16, 2009 08:59163791
still no answers from arliya [1305 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 17, 2009 06:07163791
Another victim of Arabian imperialism [1161 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2009 10:38163791
1The Qur'an and variant tradtions [650 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2009 14:06163791
Our dear Awliya and the word for today: clueless [516 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2009 21:10163791
The problem with my answer, awliya?? When did I give an answer? [382 words]klewNov 18, 2009 03:30163791
Actually, no [74 words]klewNov 18, 2009 03:42163791
Our dear Awliya and al-nasikh wa al-mansukh and how come you did not know that?part trois [554 words]dhimmi no moreNov 18, 2009 08:13163791
Why say it then? [15 words]AZNov 29, 2009 08:57163791
Christians and Jews allies (if not they will be) [430 words]W. JuneDec 8, 2009 21:55163791
Turkey Came from the East and is Returning to the East [274 words]Salah AliOct 29, 2009 13:03163763
Ah...those wonderful idealists [141 words]pdmOct 29, 2009 12:33163757
Frienemies [173 words]LynnOct 29, 2009 11:08163750
Time to "Remember the Armenians," Turkey's history of Genocide can now finally be revealed [234 words]HistorianOct 29, 2009 01:24163730
Let historians decide [93 words]AybikeNov 1, 2009 11:43163730
1Turkish victimization comedy [1301 words]IanusNov 2, 2009 14:23163730
The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it [409 words]dhimmi no moreNov 15, 2009 17:16163730
Muslim Brotherhood completes its takeover of Turkey [86 words]Secular TurkOct 29, 2009 00:00163729
1Le sultan est mort! Vive le sultan ! [611 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 17:00163729
too bad [20 words]DralliusOct 28, 2009 22:07163722
thrown to the dogs [23 words]Peter, ScotlandOct 28, 2009 18:06163708
Turkey ought to make up its mind! Are they with the Free Western world or Islam! [94 words]Ben ZalmanOct 29, 2009 13:05163708
Was Turkey Ever Really an Actual Ally? [466 words]M. ToveyOct 28, 2009 17:23163706
Turkey: An Ally No More [16 words]NirnieOct 28, 2009 16:57163704
Turkey's bid for EU membership? Dead [38 words]Cheryl MOct 28, 2009 16:23163700
myopic? [21 words]betsyOct 29, 2009 13:08163700
1Turan , not the EU [307 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 16:18163700
The true Turkish color has been revealed [50 words]RobertOct 28, 2009 15:28163690
what has rabid anti-russian and anti-communist politics led to? [134 words]G.VishvasOct 29, 2009 05:47163690
1Opening blind eyes [136 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 16:40163690
You must listen the other side also, [290 words]HavasOct 31, 2009 05:34163690
The new old world or Jews discussing "the so called holocaust" with Nazi historians [1599 words]IanusNov 1, 2009 13:35163690
too long to answer [259 words]havasNov 2, 2009 05:14163690
To Havas [101 words]AnneNov 2, 2009 05:57163690
1"Europeans believe that Moslems have come to Europe just to earn money. But Allah has a different plan." [953 words]IanusNov 3, 2009 15:40163690
there is no true friendship between countries,they are not humans. [204 words]havasNov 4, 2009 01:34163690
islam is beautiful [280 words]havasNov 6, 2009 14:05163690
Islam is what it is [181 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 7, 2009 02:04163690
1islam -"this decaying corpse of an immoral Arab Beduin"- is beautiful [1400 words]IanusNov 7, 2009 14:29163690
Does the Israeli government agree with you? [100 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
There is NO Santa ClausOct 28, 2009 14:19163688
Closed eyes [30 words]outspoken2Oct 28, 2009 12:18163684
Turkey and NATO [33 words]Al PilverOct 28, 2009 11:49163683
Turkish education [94 words]G.VishvasOct 28, 2009 10:55163682
Turkey sits between Islam and the west - The west can love it or lump it [70 words]Erol New ZealandOct 29, 2009 01:39163682
Turkey, ex-ally. [5 words]steven LOct 29, 2009 12:00163682
No justification for turkish ethno-fascism [250 words]G.VishvasOct 29, 2009 18:31163682
Turkish education [175 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 18:55163682
What do Turkish women think? [43 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 19:17163682
2Turkey - two madnesses instead of one [208 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 15:29163682
time has changed [62 words]JohnNov 26, 2009 12:30163682
Times change but I wouldn't be so sure the Turks do. [159 words]IanusNov 26, 2009 18:11163682
Turkey's true colors revealed!! [127 words]JaladhiOct 28, 2009 09:58163676
Jaladhi-you are so right! [149 words]portuguesOct 29, 2009 13:25163676
ı support Erdogan [84 words]havasOct 28, 2009 09:18163674
Turkey no more an ally. [11 words]Steven LOct 29, 2009 11:55163674
Turkey's new ideal is JIHAD NOT DEMOCRACY! Hear it from a Turk! [275 words]OsiaOct 29, 2009 16:37163674
open questions all around [173 words]mythOct 28, 2009 08:48163673
1The more important construct [371 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 15:14163673
answering questions from Ianus and turkish population in german society [307 words]mythNov 1, 2009 08:12163673
1"I understand that you are sensitive about the issue of assimilation. No one can demand that from you... Assimilation is a crime against humanity." Imam Erdogan speaking to Turks in Cologne [1178 words]IanusNov 3, 2009 10:24163673
40kms? [76 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 4, 2009 20:55163673
to Ianus: some clarification on my position [127 words]mythNov 5, 2009 08:03163673
1Distances shrinking from 1500 km to 40 km or even less in twenty years' time [846 words]IanusNov 7, 2009 12:49163673
1Clarifications [519 words]IanusNov 7, 2009 15:27163673
soviet etc [732 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 7, 2009 22:42163673
Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me [2678 words]IanusNov 10, 2009 18:52163673
russia etc [1614 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 10, 2009 21:31163673
The Gorbachovian, not Stalinist USRR !!! [2903 words]IanusNov 14, 2009 17:55163673
continuing a sub-plot - peppered examples of excess from another non-religious kind totalitarian system. [2761 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 14, 2009 22:02163673
Euphemisms from Estonia 1 [2809 words]IanusNov 19, 2009 15:13163673
one extreme to the other [3218 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 20, 2009 02:52163673
Euphemisms from Estonia 2 [2960 words]IanusNov 20, 2009 16:11163673
our pet side-topic [1991 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 21, 2009 05:05163673
5The forgotten referendum 17.03.1991 [522 words]IanusNov 21, 2009 18:26163673
they choose not to be aligned with Russia. [224 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 21, 2009 23:03163673
Who needs the turks? [183 words]James BurkeOct 28, 2009 08:17163671
No surprise [137 words]Joe Six-PackOct 28, 2009 08:00163670
Turkey drifts South and East [177 words]JonOct 28, 2009 07:53163667
Islamic dollars for Turkey's Islamic hearts and minds [866 words]IanusOct 30, 2009 17:33163667
Losing an Ally & Losing a Country. [203 words]TulayOct 28, 2009 07:12163661
1The fourth coup d'état [643 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 16:23163661
Secular Turkey [19 words]David GuyOct 28, 2009 04:33163652
1Turkey's secular hijab or "Kemalism is transient, Islam is permant". [523 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 07:01163652
Secular Turkey - only a myth!!! [38 words]JaladhiOct 29, 2009 09:11163652
atheism [29 words]Safa BalOct 16, 2011 06:05163652
omission [165 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDOct 28, 2009 03:28163645
1One difference [165 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 17:20163645
Tantamount [269 words]yuval Brandstetter MDNov 1, 2009 07:46163645
How to become an ally [198 words]Onur YAZANOct 28, 2009 02:59163642
comment on Onur YAZAN's comment - turkish attitude and frustration [287 words]mythOct 29, 2009 09:10163642
An ally in need is not necessarily an ally indeed. [1528 words]IanusOct 31, 2009 14:27163642
turkey [95 words]sse huOct 28, 2009 02:37163640
Turkey and EU [21 words]T.MOct 28, 2009 02:26163639
Your last sentence is intritguing [9 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Abu NudnikOct 28, 2009 01:24163637
Turkey: An Ally No More [22 words]Steven LOct 27, 2009 23:26163634
Next step [72 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 19:27163634
Turkey an ally noi more [151 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyOct 27, 2009 23:16163632
this is just the beginning [22 words]ErdoganNov 5, 2009 23:09163632
Turkey an ally no more [56 words]Fazal Habib CurmallyNov 6, 2009 22:54163632
Interesting dissimulations, frauds and betrayals ahead [158 words]IanusNov 7, 2009 15:48163632
How does the West expect Turkey to be the bridge between the east and west if they don't have ties with both sides ? [165 words]Sydney AustraliaOct 27, 2009 22:34163630
Europes rejection [157 words]paul GertzOct 27, 2009 22:29163629
Strange Bedfellows [51 words]Gerald LafonOct 27, 2009 20:59163627
"Our relations with Turkey are strong and good. We have been working hard to improve the already excellent relations." [318 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 18:27163627
1The Turks are the most confused people on earth [309 words]dhimmi no moreOct 27, 2009 20:54163626
dhimmi= you are right. we say the same thing to turks: You are confused because.... [74 words]adnan khanNov 1, 2009 02:35163626
1"Ayrılık" -"Separation" - Turkey's new anti-Semitic "masterpiece" [320 words]IanusNov 1, 2009 14:50163626
such great success [85 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanNov 2, 2009 15:45163626
Come back to real Islam and you will become a failure! [232 words]IanusNov 2, 2009 18:15163626
The Turkish soaps [74 words]dhimmi no moreNov 10, 2009 11:05163626
Our dear Adanan and Pakistan [38 words]dhimmi no moreNov 10, 2009 13:35163626
Ayrilik [115 words]dhimmi no moreNov 10, 2009 13:53163626
We Turkish anti-Semites love the Jewish people so much. [1017 words]IanusNov 11, 2009 08:35163626
??? [151 words]MirzaNov 18, 2009 22:54163626
Our dear Mizra and Turkish self hate [385 words]dhimmi no moreNov 19, 2009 20:23163626
definitely a confused dhimmi [121 words]Mirza Iskandar KhanNov 23, 2009 18:07163626
Our dear Mizra of Arabian imnperialism and self hate [276 words]dhimmi no moreNov 24, 2009 18:20163626
Cherry picking time and our dear el-jeneral aka our dear Mizra and the greatest empire [200 words]dhimmi no moreNov 25, 2009 17:56163626
Brainless Dhimmi = FAIL [436 words]General Mirza Iskandar KhanNov 25, 2009 20:43163626
abandon hope all ye who ..... [21 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanNov 26, 2009 04:55163626
Cherry picking time and al-baleed wa al-baghl [962 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2009 21:04163626
Dates picking time and how many Muslims in the US! [205 words]dhimmi no moreDec 3, 2009 07:41163626
Our dear Mizra is saying that Armenian infants and children that were killed in the Armenian Genocide were killed because they were TRAITORS [114 words]dhimmi no moreDec 3, 2009 08:00163626
ıf were you , [98 words]Alper Can GündoğduMar 24, 2010 23:53163626
Untrue [113 words]anonApr 2, 2010 16:52163626
The Turkish machine at work [400 words]IanusApr 4, 2010 05:25163626
What is plan B? [203 words]Art K.Oct 27, 2009 20:51163625
European Union [41 words]Alan FoxOct 27, 2009 19:44163622
Nice Work, Obama [10 words]democratsarefascistsOct 27, 2009 19:23163621
Christmas [33 words]Doug CorriganOct 30, 2009 11:40163621
Dustbins of Turkish history [304 words]IanusOct 27, 2009 19:01163620
Poland 99.8% Catholic Monolculture ? God No ! [47 words]Sydney, AustraliaOct 29, 2009 01:28163620
Poland 99.8% ...Literacy Monolculture [418 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 17:28163620
Ianus [44 words]Evren, UKMar 10, 2010 17:41163620
Thanks Allah, I am no Turk! [270 words]IanusMar 12, 2010 15:37163620
Civilized divorce is probably the best option [190 words]BAOct 27, 2009 18:57163619
Keep blaming everyone but Israel... [26 words]AnthonyOct 27, 2009 17:43163614
Protect your citizens even if that causes a loss of "Friends" [81 words]BAOct 29, 2009 01:58163614
1Self-defence "a strategic mistake"? [409 words]IanusOct 29, 2009 06:33163614
Beg to differ Anthony [152 words]CanadianOct 29, 2009 23:40163614
With friends like these.............................. [68 words]FroikeOct 30, 2009 09:12163614

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