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Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Jun 24, 2008 at 14:04
All the people who write their comments here and try to paint a bad image of islam are without any or little knowledge about islam.
Why am I not suprrised you would say something like that. Of course, it's not true by a long shot. Looking at the literacy rates in the Islamic world, I'd say more Westerners know more about Islam than many Muslims do.
they hate islam because they fear that if islam spreads they will not be able to enjoy all those things which are against humanity
What I dislike are unjust wars started by false prophets in the name of God, the One you call Allah.
,they fear that they will not be able to oppress people for their material aspirations.there are many things which will be abolished if islam spreads and quran is the medium to judge.
Abolished by force, and are you okay with that?
The Qu'ran isn't qualified to judge anyone or anything. It is riddled with inconsisties and hatred of non-Muslims.
first of all interest will be prohibited,
I happen to like getting interest for saving money. Maybe that's reason why so many Muslims are poor .
homosexuality will be prohibited
You mean they'll be executed
prostitutrion will be prohibited,
Then why is it so rampant in the Islamic world today?
nudism will be prohibited,
Really? I've seen Muslim girls show parts they shouldn't.
oppression,against innocent people will be prohibited,
I guess this doesn't apply to innocent non-Muslims.
pornography will be prohibited,
80% of all text messages sent by Saudi youth were pornography.
discrimination on the grounds of caste,religion,race,color will be prohibited,
It's pretty clear that orthodox Islam is just an Arab-male superiority gig, so that claim holds little water. I give credit to Muslims who reject such a ideology.
indiscriminate felling of trees ande killing of animals worldwide can be countered,
Unfortunately, the focus of Islam isn't on the enviornment or the Five Pillars, it's about subduing the world, and the Islamists would cut down every tree and kill every animal if it would help them convert people to Islam.
drinking of alcohol which yeilds dangerous results will be prohibited,
In the West, prohibtion of alcohol would make those problems worse. The USA tried this already.
usage of drugs which are bad for the health of individual as well as they are a really bad influence for children and teenagers,they will be prohibited
Afghan opium, anyone?
and pollution of water, air and land as well as sound can be countered.so all those who are against a peaceful world and who are under the influence of greed,material aspiration
How much money does King Fadh have? What does he do to counter pollution in Saudi Arabia?
and those who use women as an object of entertainment,
Like the Muslim male rapists all over Europe?
fear the spread of islam.
Fear? Would you settle for just the notion that we don't like having your religion shoved down our throats?
You talk about fear, well Islam is so great and tolerant, they why don't you allow the Bible in Saudi Arabia?
Because you are afriad that the entire population will leave Islam and convert to Chrisitianity.
the message of islam is the same as of all the other major religions. Allah says to be good with your fellow men,not to spread mischief on the earth and care about the poor people.
I can say with confidence that if all the people present on the face of this planet read the noble quran and read the holy bible,the torah and the vedas then there will be no non-muslim living on this planet.
Then you are over-confident. I've seen numerous testimonies of Muslims who have converted to Christianity.
Like I said, if you want us all to read the Qu'ran AND the Bible, why does Saudi Arabia ban it? If you want that, I suggest you work feverently to allow the Bible to be openly spoken of in Saudi Arabia. Let the Christians come there and teach your people about it. I implore, Mohammed, to do this, from my heart.
islam is the ultimate way of attaining peace and bringing prosperity and eradicating poverty.
Yeah, the conquests of Algeria, Egypt, Spain, Syria, Iran and Lebanaon were all a way to bring about peace, as was the Siege of Vienna and Jerusalem.
Poverty? Why are so many Muslims poor, then? Why doesn't Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE share their wealth with the people of Bangladesh or Romania?
also islam can counter incurable diseases like aids and other stds,when illegal sex and prostitution is prohibited then in no way will the aids epidemic spread.
That's going to change quickly in North African Muslim countries if they keep acting as sex destinations for Western women.
many people target islam only by saying that muslims are violent people and even the quran says to kill the non-muslims wherever they find them,but they fail to mention the quotes from then quran which says so.the verse in the quran which says "kill the non-muslims wherever you find them" is in chapter number 9 verse 7,but often people quote only this verse number seven because in the preceeding verses they find the answer to their allegation, the verse was revealed to prophet mohammed(pbuh) in the battle ground and allah says in chapter 9 verses 1-7 that do not fear fight for the security of you and your families.
Islamists who use those quote have an interesting idea of "security for families". Tell me, how does a Muslim secure his family by execute a gay person, raping a woman who doesn't wear a veil or by smashing airplanes into buildings?
he also says that if the non-muslims are ready to make peace with you then make peace and even protect them and their families.imagine the US army general saying be kind with those viatnamese during the time of the war then people would have asked his removal,so at the time of war he too ordered his troops to kill the viatnamese and will it make any sense if he gives the same order now? so when say something you should say it in the context and not out of the context.
also many people say that islam doesn't give women their rights,this is also a misconception about islam,
Sharia law is pretty clear on this. That's why rape VICTIMS get punished, and the rapists go free.
islam is the only religion in the world which has elevated the status of women in the society,it is the only religion which gave them the right to inherit,right to choose and right to equality and
the west gave this rights to women only after the renaissance.but even after giving proofs people here continue to hate islam.coming to the point that muslims are violent then
i say that christians are more violent than muslims as they have raged religious crusades in the era of renaissance and even continue to do so. ...
The crusades came BEFORE the Renaissance because your mujaheedin start to fight the Byzantians in the year 650. For over 500 years they put up with your "peaceful and prosperous" religion, as you seem to claim, until they had enough and the existence of the Church was under threat.
The first crusades were a defensive posture, and you just said that a man may fight to secure the rights of his family. That is a MUSLIM teaching you said was "revealed" to Mohammed.
The war in Afghanistan was done so that America could protect itself from future attacks. Maybe if Saudi Arabia had better airport screening, this may never have happened.
Iraq is a different story and that was the cause of faulty intelligence. Still, many of your Muslim brethren still find cause to make life miserable for the poor Iraqis by ruthlessly killing them.
Mohammed, you hold non-Muslims to a different standard to gain an advantage so you can spread Islam.
I invite you to leave Islam and to accept Essa not just as Prophet, but as your Lord and Savior. May all Saudis do this.
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![]() | Another American | Apr 20, 2008 00:57 | 126093 | ||
Adapt or disappear: Qur'an [70 words] | steven L | Apr 17, 2008 19:58 | 126035 | ||
re Islam's Historical situation and its situation today.... [398 words] | Jascha Kessler | Apr 17, 2008 19:48 | 126034 | ||
The importance of definitions [356 words] | Ralph C Whaley MD | Apr 17, 2008 19:25 | 126030 | ||
![]() | Lactantius Jr. | May 2, 2008 09:07 | 126030 | ||
Marcus' laws of electoral democracy in Moslem-majority countries [109 words] | G. Marcus | Apr 17, 2008 19:10 | 126027 | ||
4 | WHAT MAKES ISLAM DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RELIGIONS [207 words] | G. Marcus | Apr 17, 2008 18:32 | 126023 | |
![]() | Imam Ahmed Syeed Ali Muhammed | May 16, 2008 14:24 | 126023 | ||
1 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | May 22, 2008 06:45 | 126023 | |
![]() | Ahmed Saleh | Aug 18, 2012 00:04 | 126023 | ||
True democracy [220 words] | Rebecca Moulds | Apr 17, 2008 17:38 | 126014 | ||
![]() | Ian | Apr 18, 2008 04:31 | 126014 | ||
1 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | Apr 19, 2008 18:31 | 126014 | |
![]() | jennifer solis | Apr 24, 2008 04:23 | 126014 | ||
Good OpEd -- [705 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | GWK | Apr 17, 2008 17:34 | 126012 | ||
![]() w/response from Daniel Pipes | GWK | Apr 23, 2008 22:39 | 126012 | ||
![]() | GWK | May 3, 2008 22:17 | 126012 | ||
transformation of religion to second (private) fiddle. [260 words] | reeves | Apr 17, 2008 17:34 | 126011 | ||
![]() | leo solomon | Apr 18, 2008 03:53 | 126011 | ||
Freedom of Choice in a Democracy, or Choose to Serve Islam: One Cannot Have Both [494 words] | M. Tovey | Apr 17, 2008 15:52 | 126001 | ||
In 6 centuries, maybe, but not in the foreseeable future [192 words] | Jared | Apr 17, 2008 15:17 | 125998 | ||
Islam Is a Trojan Horse [105 words] | Amil Imani | Apr 17, 2008 14:48 | 125995 | ||
![]() | Another American | Apr 20, 2008 01:06 | 125995 | ||
Islamic Reformation? [66 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Paul | Apr 17, 2008 14:47 | 125994 | ||
![]() w/response from Daniel Pipes | Another American | Apr 20, 2008 01:12 | 125994 | ||
![]() | jennifer solis | Apr 29, 2008 00:45 | 125994 | ||
Democracy or Demolocracy [644 words] | Mansoor | Apr 17, 2008 14:26 | 125993 | ||
1 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | Apr 18, 2008 08:03 | 125993 | |
![]() | Mansoor | Apr 19, 2008 22:33 | 125993 | ||
![]() | Romesh Chander | Apr 20, 2008 01:42 | 125993 | ||
1 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | Apr 20, 2008 07:47 | 125993 | |
![]() | Mansoor | Apr 22, 2008 09:30 | 125993 | ||
1 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | Apr 22, 2008 21:37 | 125993 | |
2 | ![]() | dhimmi no more | Apr 23, 2008 13:32 | 125993 | |
1 | ![]() | G.Vishvas | May 10, 2008 10:40 | 125993 | |
Fundamental Issue [48 words] | Mark G | Apr 17, 2008 14:20 | 125992 | ||
Democracy, Islam, and the way out, if there is one.... [329 words] | Denis MacEoin | Apr 17, 2008 14:12 | 125989 | ||
ethnocentric [131 words] | jim | Apr 17, 2008 13:18 | 125986 | ||
‘Islamic-Democracy' is oxymoronic [195 words] | Oliver | Apr 17, 2008 12:53 | 125985 | ||
Are Muslims doomed to follow the same path? [96 words] | Solomon2 | Apr 17, 2008 12:50 | 125984 | ||
Islam and Democracy [179 words] | OldBlue64 | Apr 17, 2008 12:03 | 125980 | ||
Heartening Disheartening History [209 words] | David Sabghir | Apr 17, 2008 12:00 | 125979 | ||
Defining "Islamic Democracy" [139 words] | Mike Ramirez | Apr 17, 2008 12:00 | 125978 | ||
anxious times for Turkey [448 words] | trans-parere | Apr 17, 2008 11:45 | 125977 | ||
Muslims receive no benefits from the government [70 words] | Lars Nielsen | Apr 17, 2008 10:41 | 125973 | ||
You're killing me [216 words] | K.H. Ahmed | Apr 17, 2008 10:04 | 125969 | ||
![]() | mz ravin black | Apr 17, 2008 23:20 | 125969 | ||
Democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible [307 words] | David Campbell | Apr 17, 2008 09:47 | 125967 | ||
![]() | Marie-Claude | Apr 17, 2008 17:08 | 125967 | ||
![]() | David Campbell | Apr 23, 2008 16:33 | 125967 | ||
![]() | Marie Claude | Apr 23, 2008 18:24 | 125967 | ||
![]() | jennifer solis | Apr 24, 2008 05:01 | 125967 | ||
![]() | Marie-Claude | Apr 24, 2008 17:25 | 125967 | ||
A complex issue [1008 words] | Amitabh Tripathi | Apr 17, 2008 09:42 | 125966 | ||
![]() | Bob Jenks | Apr 18, 2008 10:38 | 125966 | ||
western civilization never allows anything grows parallel to capitalism [260 words] | syed muhammad ali | Apr 17, 2008 09:22 | 125965 | ||
A Democratic Islam [60 words] | Phillip | Apr 17, 2008 09:21 | 125964 | ||
A clear and succinct summary of the situation - thank you so much [151 words] | Bob Jenks | Apr 17, 2008 08:57 | 125962 | ||
I suppose... [26 words] | Doug Corrigan | Apr 17, 2008 08:55 | 125961 | ||
"the family" [564 words] | German Observer | Apr 17, 2008 08:52 | 125960 | ||
Islam, the missing links [32 words] | Marie Claude | Apr 17, 2008 07:49 | 125956 | ||
To Daniel Pipes: Religion of Democracy is not more 'Just' than Religion of Islam [291 words] | Syed Rafey Husain | Apr 17, 2008 06:43 | 125952 | ||
![]() | S.Mirza | Apr 19, 2008 02:38 | 125952 | ||
![]() | jennifer solis | Apr 24, 2008 05:38 | 125952 | ||
![]() | Plato | May 2, 2008 00:10 | 125952 | ||
![]() | Wedhimmissubmitwillingly | Oct 3, 2008 19:43 | 125952 | ||
![]() | Syed Rafey Husain | Oct 7, 2008 03:22 | 125952 | ||
![]() | Wedhimmissubmitwillingly | Oct 8, 2008 12:52 | 125952 | ||
Democracy & Islam [212 words] | Ian Campbell | Apr 17, 2008 05:56 | 125948 | ||
U.S. STATE DEPT GETS IT ALL WRONG ON TURKEY AND ITS EU MEMBERSHIP [757 words] | G. Marcus | Apr 17, 2008 05:46 | 125947 | ||
No Muslims No Terrorists [297 words] | Alain Jean-Mairet | Apr 17, 2008 05:45 | 125946 | ||
![]() | Doug Corrigan | Apr 24, 2008 11:05 | 125946 | ||
![]() | marie-Claude | Apr 25, 2008 16:59 | 125946 | ||
![]() | Alain Jean-Mairet | Apr 26, 2008 06:41 | 125946 | ||
A Democratic Islam? [96 words] | Ilbert Phillips | Apr 17, 2008 05:20 | 125926 | ||
Democracy and Islam [735 words] | Erich Wieger | Apr 17, 2008 05:07 | 125924 | ||
close, but a bit off-mark [218 words] | Taj | Apr 17, 2008 04:43 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Plato | May 2, 2008 00:17 | 125921 | ||
![]() | trans-parere | May 3, 2008 21:34 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Taj | May 5, 2008 20:31 | 125921 | ||
![]() | trans-parere | May 6, 2008 18:59 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Taj | May 16, 2008 14:40 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Taj | May 17, 2008 04:45 | 125921 | ||
![]() | trans-parere | May 17, 2008 21:59 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Plato | May 18, 2008 08:38 | 125921 | ||
![]() | Taj | Jun 1, 2008 19:43 | 125921 | ||
1 | ![]() | Plato | Jun 18, 2008 04:22 | 125921 | |
![]() | Taj | Jun 22, 2008 01:14 | 125921 | ||
3 | ![]() | Plato | Jun 26, 2008 04:51 | 125921 | |
Point well taken. [14 words] | jennifer solis | Apr 17, 2008 03:21 | 125910 | ||
![]() | Thiagan | Apr 28, 2008 08:21 | 125910 | ||
![]() | jennifer solis | Apr 28, 2008 17:16 | 125910 | ||
![]() | True Believer | May 5, 2008 07:15 | 125910 | ||
establishment clause [35 words] | Francesco Mangascià | Apr 17, 2008 02:42 | 125907 | ||
![]() | Roger Warner | Apr 20, 2008 07:29 | 125907 | ||
![]() | Francesco Mangascià | Apr 21, 2008 03:23 | 125907 | ||
Democracy and Islam [388 words] | Carl Goldberg | Apr 17, 2008 01:58 | 125904 | ||
![]() | leo solomon | Apr 17, 2008 17:39 | 125904 | ||
![]() | Anne-Marie Delcambre | Apr 19, 2008 01:26 | 125904 | ||
![]() | joe | May 18, 2008 07:28 | 125904 |