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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 3, 2008 at 07:20

Our dear Khawla who tells us that her name means gazelle wrote

>It is amazing that you did not find the meaning of my name in any Arabic Mu'jam although I gave the direct link to the meaning of the name from an online Mu'jam.

No I told you that I like books that I can read and I really could not find the word khawla (gazelle) in an Arabic dictionary (ma3jam aw qamoos) This does not mean that you are wrong, it juts makes me curious. So do me a favor: could you find the word in a book form dictionary. Is this asking for too much?

>And by the way, freedom of speech supported by the West is absolute. There is no limit to it.

You are either in denial or you are ignorant. Freedom of speech is never absolute and as I told you even in our free for all we have laws for libel and we cannot yell: fire fire in a crowded movie theater without paying for our actions.

>And again I say it more than once: Sharia is a broad system.

Oh please. Do me a favor: stop quoting a web based source and learn to quote books So here is your home work for today:

1. What is really the shari3a?

2. Where did it come from? The Qur'an? The bogus hadith? or as research have proven that the source could be Roman law or provincial law in the civilized Middle East (Egypt, Syria) in the late antique period

3. When was it put in book form? Let me help you here: not any earlier than the 3rd century of Islam.

4. Did the Arabs that invaded the Middle East in 633CE carry with them a copy of the shari3a? The answer here is no and they did not even have a copy of the Qur'an

5. Was the shri3a law ever applied any where in the lands that were invaded by the Arabs?

6. And why do we have different schools of islamic law?

This would be a good start

>You think any adulterer is stoned without evidence? Only married adulterers are stoned giving that 4 witnesses saw him/her.

Listen: people are people and if they cheat then it would seem to me that the marriage is in serious trouble. And people cheat on their spouses then may be the best way out is marriage counseling and may be even divorce but to stone them?

And you know the sad thing here is it is the living that would suffer and what would you tell the children of those that were stoned about why their parent that was killed by an order from the God of the universe because this parent was in a let us say loveless marriage or violent marriage?

Now I'm sure you agree with me that your Arabian Allah tells you that this life is about al-qada' wa al-qadr which means that your Allah plans everthing including the act of cheating on one's spouse. Right? I find it bizarre and cruel when your Allah plans the act of cheating then he demands that that person should be stoned. If there is anyone to be blamed then it must be your Allah.

And where would you find 4 witnesses watching a sexual act? It seems that your Allah had voyeurs in his mind.

But most significat is what is really cheating?

>You can read this research comparing the three Abrahamic religions in terms of women rights.

Listen you are a smart young lady and what you are saying here if Christianity and Judiasm do not treat women that well then why are you after Islam? This means that you are saying that islam does not treat women that well and the difference is that here in the west we have moved beyond religious laws that originate in Christianity and Judaism and this is what I called in Arabic: 3Ulmaniya or secularism. So your argument here is a poor argument

>I love reading. I will keep reading what I want.

I have no difficulty with that

>You cannot impose your opinio ns on me.

Good. You are angry and that is a good start

>I do not feel imprisoned or whatever you think I am going through.

I'm afraid to tell you that you are. You are like a bird in a cage and the bird loves his cage and the security of such cage and the bird is afraid to leave the cage and go out and face the real world. Do not be afraid and go out and read a good book and my suggestions may read Homer or Virgil and you being close to iran read Firdawsi's Shahnemah and you will realize that there is beauty out there and you will find the Qur'an to be nothing but poor literature

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