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Kafir Dreams

By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, May 07, 2008

Frontpage Interview's guest today is Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) and spokesman for PoliticalIslam.com.

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FP: Bill Warner, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Warner: Thank you Jamie.

FP: I'd like to talk to you today about how many of the names, words and phrases we use about Islam are muddled and incorrect. Many non-Muslims create certain terms about Islam to try to make the world seem safer and to feel good about themselves. But many of these terms have no actual basis in Islamic theology or culture and have no real meaning in an Islamic context.

I think the best way to start this discussion is to begin with the term "moderate Muslim."

Warner: "Moderate Muslim" is a perfect example of the muddle and incorrect terminology that kafirs (unbelievers) use.

This term is intended to describe a Muslim who doesn't seem dangerous or advocate violence. But "moderate Muslim" is a non-Muslim name, one that kafirs made up.

The doctrine of Islam does talk about the different kinds of Muslims. The measure of a Muslim is the Koran and the Sunna. Anyone who follows these teachings is a moderate Muslim, by definition.

Islamic doctrine defines what is moderate and not moderate. Since we are dealing with Islam, we need to know that the doctrine is dualistic. Islam can have two doctrines about any issue. This follows from the Koran. The early Koran, which was written in Mecca is generally religious. The Koran written in Medina is very political and includes jihad. The two Korans are not only very different, but they also contradict each other in major ways.

So we have the possibility of two kinds of moderate Muslims, since we have two doctrines. Osama bin Laden is a moderate Muslim, who follows the Koran of Medina, the Koran of jihad. Kafirs call him an extremist or radical Muslim. Actually, Osama obeys the Koran of Medina and the Sunna of Mohammed, so he is a moderate, pious Medinan Muslim.

The jihadists on September 11, 2001 were all moderate Medinan Muslims. They were not extremists or radicals.

The other kind of moderate Muslim follows the Koran of Mecca and he is more generally what kafirs mean when they say "moderate Muslim". But how moderate is a Meccan Muslim? A moderate Muslim thinks that you are a kafir, but he isn't violent, just antagonistic.

FP: So tell us exactly what "kafir" means. We take it to mean unbeliever but I presume it is more complicated than that.

Warner: The usual translation of this Arabic word is unbeliever, but unbeliever is only a very small part of its meaning. It is the Koran that defines the word "kafir" and it says the most terrible things can happen to them. The Koranic doctrine about kafirs says they are hated and are Satan's friends. Kafirs can be robbed, killed, tortured, raped, mocked, cursed, condemned and plotted against. The Koran does not have one good thing to say about kafirs. (There are some psuedo-good words, but more about them later.)

For over the last 1400 years, 270 million kafirs have died as a result of the political doctrine of Islam. It is the biggest single source of suffering in the history of the world.

The word kafir is the worst word in the human language. It is far worse than the n-word, because the n-word is a personal opinion, whereas, kafir is Allah's decree. Nearly two thirds of the Koran is devoted to the kafir. Islam is fixated on the kafir and the moderate Muslim thinks that you are a kafir. How moderate is that?

FP: I guess not very moderate.

Warner: Well the moderation does not stop there. A moderate Muslim follows Islamic ethics. Not only is the Koran a dualistic document, but also Islamic ethics are dualistic. Islam has one set of rules for Muslims and another set of rules for the kafirs. A Muslim does not lie, cheat, kill, or harm another Muslim. But, if it will advance Islam, a kafir may be cheated, deceived, murdered, tortured and raped. Or a Muslim may treat a kafir like a brother.

It is the dualism of Islam that gives it such power. It has the entire good cop/bad cop psychology built into its very DNA. There have been other groups with dualistic ethics, the KKK for instance. But a member of the KKK hates all blacks all the time. There is a certain bald-faced honesty in the hatred of the KKK. But Islam has the good cop face to the world most of the time. The bad cop is held in reserve the same way that a police detective carries a hidden weapon.

The ethical dualism means that Islam does not take part in the shared reciprocity of altruism. As an example, Islam is very big on charity, but Islamic charity only goes to Muslims. When Saudi Arabia sent money to New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, the money only went to Muslims, not to suffering kafirs.

FP: Can you expand a bit on reciprocity of altruism?

Warner: Reciprocity of altruism[1] is the very basis of civilization. Islam does not share this trait. This is one of the reasons that Islam is not a part, nor can it be, of kafir civilization. Islam is built on different ethics and logic than the kafirs. Islam's dualistic ethics prohibit reciprocity of altruism. Islamic civilization and kafir civilization do not share similar values.

So a moderate non-violent Muslim thinks that you are a kafir and that a kafir does not have to be treated the same as another Muslim. The moderate Muslim (Islamic meaning) thinks that you are Allah's scum and you can be treated like trash. Or not (dualism always has options).

How can such a person be a true friend, if he believes the Koran. In some 14 verses, the Koran says that the Muslim is not the friend of a kafir. But what if the person actually is your friend? We can deal with this very important question if you wish.

In any case, the term moderate Muslim has two totally different meanings. The kafir meaning is warm, fuzzy and incorrect. The Islamic meaning is cruel, precise and correct.

FP: What are some other false kafir names?

Warner: Radical Muslim. Extremist Muslim. Reformed Islam.

What is a radical Muslim? A radical Muslim is capable of harming kafirs. A radical Muslim is a Medinan Muslim, but a Medinan Muslim follows Mohammed's actions. So killing kafirs is not radical. Harming kafirs follows Mohammed's example and is pure Islam, not a radical interpretation.

FP: So, overall, what is the real issue here?

Warner: Islam.

These false names used by kafirs are an attempt to humanize Islam. The kafirized naming tries to put the violence (radical, extremist) outside of Islam or suggest that violence is a bizarre interpretation of Islamic doctrine. But Mohammed was involved in a violent episode on the average of every six weeks for his last nine years. Again, Mohammed defines moderation, and the violence is integral to Islam.

The doctrine of both religious and political Islam is based on dualism and submission. The religious doctrine is of no concern to a kafir. It is the politics that concerns kafirs.

Political Islam is based upon dualism and submission. All of humanity is divided into kafirs and Muslims, with not one good word for the kafirs.

Names like "moderate" and "good" are an attempt to link goodness and Islam. But there is no goodness in Islam for the kafir, only for another Muslim. This is extremely harsh, but it is a consequence of the doctrine of political Islam.

If you are well-read in the Islamic political doctrine, you may jump in and say that the Korans says a positive things about Christians and Jews. These few good things are a very few sentences. It is sad to see how Muslims and apologists drag the pitiful few sentences out of the Koran to show the good in Islam for the kafirs. First, compared to the massive amount of hateful, hurtful and evil things said about the kafirs, the few good sentences are statistically insignificant.

But worst of all is that the good verses are contradicted by later doctrine. This is another aspect of dualism.

The doctrine of Islam is not static since it is based upon the life of Mohammed. The doctrine describes a process. The conclusion of that process was annihilation of the native Arab culture with not a single enemy of Mohammed left standing. In the end, there is no good in Islam for the kafir, nothing. That is the conclusion to the process of political Islam. Those "nice, tolerant" verses are temporary tactics to be used while Islam is weak.

Most kafirs treat the doctrine of Islam like a box of those magnetic words you can put on the refrigerator. By choosing the right words, they can make any sentence and any thought. But the doctrine of Islam is a very coherent story. It has a beginning, middle and an end. Islamic doctrine is taken from the life of Mohammed, not from a dictionary of unrelated facts. Indeed, the remarkable thing about Islamic doctrine is how systematic and logical it is. You can't just reach in and take a sentence or verse here and there.

What is the most important thing about a story is its conclusion.

FP: And the conclusion is?

Warner: The conclusion is that political Islam is always bad for the kafir. In the end, all Christians and Jews must submit to Islam. That is the goodness of Islam for kafirs. As long as the kafirs submit to Islam's demands, then Islam is good to them.

Dualism is the key to understanding Islam. On the surface many parts of the Koran contradict each other. The usual explanation is that the older, nicer verses are abrogated by the later verses. But in reality all of the Koran is true since it comes from the only god, Allah. Allah is perfection, and therefore, the contradictory statements in the Koran are all true. This violates Aristotelian kafir logic, but it defines the Islamic dualistic logic. In Islam two contradictory things can both be true at the same time. So for every one of those statistically insignificant "good" verses, each one is weak, and the stronger harsh and violent verses are stronger. Contradictions are integral to Islamic logic.

To put a fine point on the previous claim—the only good for kafirs in the doctrine of political Islam is negated somewhere else.

FP: So what is the good of Islam?

Warner: Islam is the cause; Muslims are the effect. So if there is no good in Islam for a kafir, how is there any good in a Muslim for a kafir? There is not any good in a Muslim for kafirs. Cause and effect. But there can be good in people who call themselves Muslims.

Now we get to our central problem. There are some nice people who are Muslims, how do we explain this?

The doctrinal problem here is that a Muslim cannot be the friend of a kafir. The Koran says this 14 times. So if a friend is a Muslim, then that friendship has to be based on something other than Islam.

Notice that Islam has a strong core doctrine of mutual Muslims friendship; indeed the Koran says that Muslims are brothers and sisters to each other. And why can Muslims be friends? Because they are equal.

But a Muslim is not the political equal to a kafir because the Koran says that a Muslim is superior. So where does the good person who is a Muslim get his basis for friendship? The same place as everyone else does—from equality, the same equality that is inferred from the Golden Rule.

Treat others as you want to be treated.

Which others? All others, without exception. The Golden Rule implies the unity of humanity. There are no limits to its application.

The Golden Rule does not apply to Islam. Indeed, Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule. The duality of Islam divides all humanity into Muslims and kafirs. There are no two groups more unequal than kafirs and Muslims.

FP: So what do we call the Muslim that is a friend of a non-believer?

Warner: The goodness in your Muslim friend comes from the kafir civilization, not Islam. Your friend is a kafirized Muslim, but he is not a good or a moderate Muslim. Remember, Osama bin Laden is a good and moderate Muslim.

FP: A kafirized Muslim. This is interesting. Expand for us please.

Warner: A kafirized Muslim is a new naming, but an old reality. For some reason, every analysis of Muslims assumes that they are completely Muslim, without any kafir in them. But Islam does not drive all Muslims in all aspects of their life. Kafir culture has some very appealing ideals and people who call themselves Muslims are attracted to the benevolence in it. A true Muslim has absolutely no attraction to any aspect of kafir culture. The Koran and Sunna condemn 100% of kafir culture, so no Muslim has any desire to emulate kafirs. As soon as a person has any attraction to any aspect of kafir culture, they cease to be a Muslim and become kafir. That is the way the doctrine of Islam works.

The name kafirized Muslim is analytic and fits the data. But kafirized Muslim is more than a name; it is a new concept with some very profound consequences.

What are its advantages? It is better than any of the alternatives such as a "good Muslim", a "moderate Muslim" or my "Muslim friend". All of these names are an attempt to bring some good out of Islam. But, there is no good in Islam for kafirs, only for Muslims.

The name kafirized Muslim acknowledges a bridge between Islam and kafirs. It is bigoted to assume that every Muslim has all of their behavior based upon Islam. Islam may demand that a person be 100% governed by Islam, but the truth is that Muslims are people and as people they are capable of picking and choosing. What is wrong with acknowledging that Muslims can be part kafir? What is wrong by acknowledging that the Golden Rule attracts Muslims?

The word "Muslim" entraps a person into a small box. What we need to be able to do is recognize the person, not the Muslim. We live in a multicultural age where the majority culture is defined as oppressive. In order to distinguish yourself, you should be separated from the main body. Hence, a name like African-American exists. But these names come with a box. If you are African-American, you are supposed to have certain political and social views. Similarly, the name Muslim can become a narrow category for a person. A Muslim should only have certain views, or you are not a "real" Muslim.

The name kafirized Muslim acknowledges that we are dealing with a person, not a category.

The usual names, (good Muslim, moderate Muslim), attempt to credit the good found in Muslims to the doctrine of Islam. The term kafirized Muslim clearly states that the good comes from the kafirs, not Islam.

Now we get to the crux of the politics of the made-up naming. These names represent a desperate attempt to deal with the problem of Islamic threats, violence and destruction of kafir civilization. Very few people know much about either the doctrine or history of political Islam. So they think of Islam as only a religion and believe since Islam has so many members, it must be one of the great religions. And all religions are good, so Islam must be good. But there is a nagging dark feeling about the violence in Islam. Since Islam has been defined good, there must be an explanation. Those Muslims who kill must be "extremist" Muslims. That leaves Islam as good with a few rotten apples.

In Islam, Mohammed, Ali, Umar, Abu Bakr and all of the rest of the founding Muslims were "extremist" Muslims since they were killers over and over again. What kafirs call extremism is only Islam.

FP: In the context of everything you are saying, what is the hope, or point, of trying to "reform" Islam?

Warner: Some come up with the thinking that if Islam has nothing good for kafirs, then why not reform it? This idea comes from making an analogy to Christianity. However, Islam's claims aside, there are almost no points of comparison between Islam and Christianity. On the issue of ethics, for instance, there is absolutely no analogy.

The religion of Islam needs no reform. Who cares about how Muslims worship? All kafirs must be concerned with Islamic politics or how Islam defines them. The Koran, the Sira and the Hadith determine the treatment of kafirs.

To reform the Koran, all of the hateful, cruel, and bigoted references to kafirs would have to be removed. If the kafir material is removed, then only 39% of the Koran remains. The greatest part of the part of the Koran, 61%, is devoted to negativity about kafirs.

The Sira (the life of Mohammed) has about 75% of its material devoted to jihad.

The Hadith has 20% of its material devoted to jihad. There is no one positive reference to kafirs.

If you delete 61% of the Koran, 75% of the Sira and 20% of the Hadith, you will have reformed Islam. You will also have destroyed it. There is a very good reason that Islam has never been reformed. It is impossible.

Is it so hard to believe that a political system with the name "submission" (that is what Islam means) is violent and can't be reformed? To submit is a demand of force.

Why would Islam want to reform? It works. You don't fix a system that works.

The other objection to Islamic reform is that there is no central hierarchy that makes decision for Muslims. Anyone can read the doctrine and decide what to do. No one has the authority to decide what every Muslim can do. In that way, Islam is like the Internet; it is a distributed system with no central doctrinal authority. Who speaks for Islam? Mohammed. Who interprets Mohammed? Any Muslim.

You can have a kafirized Muslim, but there is no such thing as kafirized Islam. Islam cannot be reformed. Hence, the name reformed Islam is only a kafir dream.

FP: So we need to start using the right names and terms.

Warner: Of course. The right names help to think right thoughts. Muddled names lead to muddled thoughts. If we are serious, we must start using the right names to describe Islam. Our terms must be based upon Islam, not kafir dreams.

If we want to refer to the more peaceful Muslims, call them Meccan Muslims. The jihadists are Medinan Muslims.

Wrong names include: moderate Muslim, extremist Muslim, good Muslim, radical Muslim.

Right names include: Meccan Muslim, Medinan Muslim, kafirized Muslim.

We must take control of the language. Incorrect names lead to incorrect thinking. We have to use the right names to defeat political Islam.

FP: So what point of view is your argument and outlook based on?

Warner: All of this analysis is based upon a kafir-centric view. There are three ways to examine Islam—believer, kafir and dhimmi. The believer-centric view is the standard Islamic viewpoint. For the believer, the Koran is the perfect word of the only god of the universe and Mohammed is the prefect pattern for all human life and all times.

Kafir-centric analysis looks at Islam from the viewpoint of the kafir; how does this affect us?

Kafir-centric analysis is the view of the victim. As an example, in the Sira, Mohammed's triumph over the Meccan polytheists is told as a wonderful victory. From the view of the kafir, it represents the annihilation of a tolerant society and the creation of the modern apartheid state of Arabia. As a result of Islam, the Arabs went from being a tolerant people to being the most bigoted and biased society on earth.

The kafir-centric school is skeptical and analytic.

The dhimmi-centric viewpoint is the academic school and is neither fish nor fowl. It is marked by political correctness and never refers to the deaths of the 270 million kafirs, never talks about the suffering of the dhimmis. The dhimmi-centric school is actually believer-centric lite. It rarely applies skepticism. The dhimmi-centric school is the predominate school in the universities, military, law enforcement, government and the media. The dhimmi-centric school is very fond of using modern political science to analyze Islam.

One of the marks of the dhimmi-centric school is to ignore Islamic political theory. For instance, jihad is never used to explain violence. Or Israel is seen only as a modern political state and the Palestinians are just another political group. Reading the Israelis news stories, you would never know that Islam had a doctrine of war. But when you read the communications of the Palestinian leaders, it is crystal clear that it is jihad against the kafirs in Israel. From the standpoint of Islam, if every Jew in Israel were a Hindu, nothing would change.

Multiculturalism is all the rage these days. What is strange is that only the believer-centric school and the kafir-centric theory explain Islam by its doctrine. The dhimmi-centric academic school avoids this at all costs. This is ironic since it was the academics who created multiculturalism. So the dhimmi-centric school is bigoted and euro-centric by its own standards of multiculturalism.

FP: Bill Warner, thank you for this fascinating and eye-opening discussion.

Warner: You are welcome Jamie.

Notes:

[1] Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors, Chapter 8, Sociality, pgs. 130-180, Nicholas Wade, Penguin Press, NY, 2006.

Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's managing editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He edited and wrote the introduction to David Horowitz's Left Illusions. He is also the co-editor (with David Horowitz) of The Hate America Left and the author of Canadian Policy Toward Khrushchev's Soviet Union (McGill-Queens University Press, 2002) and 15 Tips on How to be a Good Leftist. To see his previous symposiums, interviews and articles Click Here. Email him at jglazov@rogers.com.


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Great Arabic Dhimmi - you cannot even pronounce [24 words]sTsMay 21, 2008 03:26128614
corruption [37 words]sTsMay 21, 2008 03:30128614
TRULY TRUE [61 words]mohammedMay 21, 2008 05:12128614
3Our dear samer and quoting the Bible [140 words]dhimmi no moreMay 21, 2008 06:14128614
1PLATO DONT BE IN CONFUSION BY THE MUSLIM VERSION ABOUT THE BIBLE [353 words]SPAMay 21, 2008 06:18128614
TRUMPET [136 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 01:16128614
Thanks for your note [57 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 02:44128614
He thinks he is big [30 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 02:51128614
2Our dear Samer who knows no Arabic is pontificating about the Arabic language. Go figure [134 words]dhimmi no moreMay 22, 2008 06:05128614
2Our dear Samer is saying that if the corrupted Bible is violent then why not the Qur'an? [219 words]dhimmi no moreMay 22, 2008 06:16128614
3Samer, you are wrong on ALL counts- someone is feeding you lies! [393 words]saraMay 22, 2008 16:12128614
Christian Values [687 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 22, 2008 19:04128614
2Question to Dhimmi no More about Islam [330 words]YnnatchkahMay 22, 2008 22:24128614
A trumpet to the Jewish Media [210 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 22:46128614
Around and around and around [65 words]jennifer solisMay 23, 2008 04:38128614
2More drivel from samer [183 words]dhimmi no moreMay 23, 2008 07:02128614
1Hate emails [188 words]sTsMay 23, 2008 16:21128614
Nonsense [64 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 24, 2008 02:22128614
2spot the mistake in the bible [561 words]sTsMay 24, 2008 02:35128614
3Islam and Abraham [94 words]dhimmi no moreMay 24, 2008 06:49128614
2Our dear Samer is running away again [126 words]dhimmi no moreMay 24, 2008 07:35128614
sTs: Ignorace surely is bliss [182 words]PlatoMay 25, 2008 00:22128614
You will not be saved by Jesus [148 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 01:58128614
Still hate comments [17 words]sTsMay 25, 2008 02:13128614
3Our dear Samer and more delusions and this time Ibrahim's little trip to Bakka oh I mean Mecca [898 words]dhimmi no moreMay 25, 2008 19:17128614
Reconcile? [35 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 21:52128614
2Reply to sTs - no, that's not a mistake in the Bible [1066 words]jennifer solisMay 25, 2008 22:26128614
2To Dhimmi No More. [235 words]YnnatchkahMay 26, 2008 01:45128614
2Hate e-mail to our dear samer and more delusions [193 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2008 06:52128614
3our dear Samer seems to be unaware that the Qur'an really says that Jesus must be God [678 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2008 07:25128614
2Our dear Samer and fantasy [134 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2008 13:31128614
2Our dear samer and Abul Qasim himself [241 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2008 13:43128614
3And speaking of the Ibrahim and the Jews: Our dear Samer Ynna has a question for you [122 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2008 18:06128614
2Great Catch of Samer's Uncounciouss Mind, Dhimmi No More!!!! [356 words]YnnatchkahMay 27, 2008 02:24128614
The infidel dhimmi-yes-more [24 words]sTsMay 27, 2008 17:16128614
3Our dear Samer and Islam [50 words]dhimmi no moreMay 28, 2008 06:11128614
3Strike up the band: Our dear Samer wnats to leave Islam. [380 words]dhimmi no moreJun 1, 2008 17:45128614
3Samer/StS- here is a Muslim site that refutes your fairy tale of Mohamed and Jerusalem... read it and weep [121 words]saraJun 26, 2008 18:33128614
2The Myth of Al-Aqsa [245 words]KiwiJun 27, 2008 23:57128614
Read [213 words]sTsJun 29, 2008 03:48128614
Al-Aqsa is in Jerusalem [285 words]sTsJun 30, 2008 02:54128614
Kill to Purify?.... [510 words]SalJan 8, 2009 18:41128614
wrong [147 words]vixiFeb 21, 2010 15:46128614
Why shouldn't Islam's transition be smoother or easier? [151 words]gfmucciMay 12, 2008 21:28128499
I absolutely agree with you [82 words]jennifer solisMay 13, 2008 03:46128499
Jenny and G [207 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 13, 2008 18:38128499
Reply to Luigi [1180 words]jennifer solisMay 15, 2008 03:39128499
Re; Jenny [963 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 15, 2008 20:11128499
How Muslims can reform [331 words]sTsMay 22, 2008 10:35128499
4The Qur'an and our dear Samer a book that he cannot read in Arabic [277 words]dhimmi no moreJun 8, 2008 11:48128499
demurral [271 words]Peter HerzMay 8, 2008 11:52128111
Islamic Democracy=One man, one vote, one time? [609 words]Facts not FantasyMay 6, 2008 21:14127944
Islam and democracy is an antinomy [212 words]NessieMay 4, 2008 18:01127698
Islam world's most anti-democratic force [142 words]ClaireMay 4, 2008 02:34127637
Another Interesting Book [46 words]LucaMay 3, 2008 10:13127560
Tibi's book [140 words]ClaireMay 5, 2008 10:35127560
Luca on Tibi [62 words]ClaireMay 9, 2008 20:02127560
Jon Kennedy said way back in 1958: [156 words]AdamEMay 2, 2008 18:35127493
Historic circumstances and Islam are inseparable [33 words]alex dihesMay 1, 2008 12:05127354
Read Asef Bayat's book: "Making Islam Demcoratic" [12 words]Roy JenkinsApr 30, 2008 08:16127248
Question & Thought [38 words]infosifterApr 29, 2008 22:27127221
Democracy is a low and dull flight [20 words]Syed Rafey HusainApr 29, 2008 08:52127159
Could Syed Husein please expand [34 words]Paul R.May 2, 2008 00:11127159
Islam [333 words]ThiaganApr 28, 2008 22:35127129
These are "moderate" Muslims of Pakistan - Thiagan!!! [33 words]JaladhiApr 29, 2008 16:24127129
Murder is murder [220 words]ClaireMay 3, 2008 03:40127129
Claire's "Murder is Murder" Comments [153 words]MelMay 6, 2008 11:38127129
Mel's "Murder is Murder" comment [467 words]ClaireMay 9, 2008 19:31127129
Are Democracy and Secularism really inseparable? [261 words]Syed KasimApr 26, 2008 17:09126901
God's Laws are intuitive and exist outside of religious doctrine. [673 words]trans-parereApr 26, 2008 23:06126901
Great thinking!!! [245 words]MansoorApr 27, 2008 08:13126901
3Our dear Syed and what is really democracy and democracy in the land of his Hindu ancestors [622 words]dhimmi no moreApr 27, 2008 14:56126901
trans-parere, God's laws not intuitive [161 words]InfidelApr 27, 2008 23:41126901
The arrogant reject the quiet directions of their soul. [473 words]trans-parereApr 28, 2008 04:00126901
God's Laws [188 words]LynnApr 28, 2008 08:38126901
Good comment. [277 words]Farman NaqviApr 28, 2008 11:54126901
God's laws are etched on your soul [477 words]trans-parereApr 28, 2008 16:22126901
Double faced jokers [111 words]MansoorApr 28, 2008 16:40126901
All You Need Is LOVE - LA - LA LA - LA LA [1139 words]OliverApr 29, 2008 01:11126901
Why Fundamentalist Christianity Works in Democracy and Fundamentalist Islam Does Not. [744 words]M. ToveyApr 29, 2008 16:48126901
Reply to Tovey [228 words]Peter HerzApr 30, 2008 08:59126901
Re; Actually, Mansoor [58 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 1, 2008 04:44126901
Election fraud [122 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 1, 2008 05:00126901
what ? [72 words]True BelieverMay 5, 2008 07:11126901
Moses, Jesus, Paul, Mohammed--all historical figures [359 words]ClaireMay 9, 2008 19:52126901
Secularism [82 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 14, 2008 05:19126901
Joke [67 words]true believerMay 16, 2008 07:55126901
Mansoor [318 words]BrianMay 16, 2008 19:49126901
The reality!!! [395 words]MansoorMay 17, 2008 06:32126901
Continuation [566 words]MansoorMay 17, 2008 10:43126901
Ancient religions are obsolete [174 words]ClaireMay 25, 2008 05:46126901
Secularism [310 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 21:34126901
Well isnt that nice Mr Namik Tan [61 words]SSApr 24, 2008 23:55126766
Saudi Cleric Warns: Freedom of Speech Might Lead to Freedom of Belief [533 words]JaredApr 24, 2008 12:01126700
heresy; the crime of thinking for yourself [115 words]trans-parereApr 24, 2008 23:42126700
There is no authoritarian dictatorship in Islam [192 words]JaredApr 25, 2008 18:12126700
Diverse schools [437 words]trans-parereApr 26, 2008 21:04126700
D'accord [351 words]JaredApr 28, 2008 07:54126700
yes, I thinks so for the most part. [538 words]trans-parereApr 28, 2008 18:12126700
Democracy is only a tool; not... [224 words]Doug CorriganApr 24, 2008 11:39126699
so long, moderate islam [124 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
koolkargaApr 23, 2008 22:12126648
Ataturk [11 words]Jon PurizhanskyApr 23, 2008 11:39126579
The Indonesian Example [145 words]JaredApr 23, 2008 09:46126571
"Hard work can one day make Islam democratic." [13 words]Rochelle MichaelsApr 22, 2008 21:33126523
What We Can Do [626 words]BrianApr 25, 2008 12:50126523
Monarchy, Democracy, Benevolent Dictator... [74 words]Rochelle MichaelsApr 26, 2008 09:29126523
Sharia sports [71 words]BrianMay 16, 2008 22:04126523
nothing less than sophisticated [157 words]ebtisam husseinApr 22, 2008 14:43126489
A true revelation [31 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Tom SimonApr 22, 2008 10:30126478
Goal will be the same even with the democracy [104 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
skmillerApr 21, 2008 17:22126386
Will to change [157 words]Rajan SamuelApr 21, 2008 13:23126362
The Only Path to Democracy [194 words]John J NosserApr 21, 2008 01:42126323
Wrong John J Nosser [44 words]skmillerApr 22, 2008 10:21126323
RE: Wrong John J Nosser [235 words]John NosserApr 23, 2008 11:25126323
Recip spills the beans [93 words]richard blomApr 21, 2008 00:35126316
It is the Power Brokers [78 words]MikeApr 20, 2008 16:32126280
Congratulations Dr Daniel Pipes [58 words]Michael Darby, Board Member, Australian Christian Nation AssociationApr 20, 2008 13:33126260
PIPES for President ! [4 words]milton berlinMay 2, 2008 18:48126260
Erraneous assertion - Change in christiandom was rapid [111 words]SinghaApr 20, 2008 12:13126255
Almighty God Never Changes -But Religious Christianity is Constantly Changing [631 words]M. ToveyApr 24, 2008 12:20126255
Where Scholars are Making Big Mistake - Islam's Potential for Change is Zero. [1611 words]SinghaApr 20, 2008 12:10126254
SINGHA,YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! [241 words]TTSApr 23, 2008 02:53126254
Taming Islam [154 words]ThiaganApr 23, 2008 04:57126254
A(n) (in)sane [87 words]MansoorApr 24, 2008 16:17126254
Taming Islam [191 words]ThiaganApr 25, 2008 05:55126254
big supporter of Abortion [427 words]MansoorApr 27, 2008 07:17126254
Long debate but zero mentality [561 words]MansoorApr 27, 2008 07:43126254
Taming Islam [237 words]ThiaganApr 28, 2008 00:20126254
Countering Islam: Most effective means [177 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 1, 2008 04:53126254
4Our dear mansoor and who is really the biggest supporter of abortion and your guess is? and other sordid matters [190 words]dhimmi no moreMay 10, 2008 17:27126254
Disappointing [673 words]Ron ThompsonApr 19, 2008 17:40126195
A note on "Democratic Islam" [96 words]MikeApr 19, 2008 12:49126184
The question isn't democracy but freedom - and yes, mohammedanism IS a problem about that [266 words]Joe BloughApr 18, 2008 19:53126126
Wasn't Muhammed Taha executed for sedition? [81 words]MontyApr 18, 2008 14:44126107
1"and what happened to Al-Ustaz ("revered teacher") Mahmud Muhammad Taha? [131 words]Lactantius JrMay 1, 2008 07:49126107
Mahmoud Taha [20 words]trans-parereMay 2, 2008 22:35126107
Almost There [46 words]BlackspeareApr 18, 2008 12:41126100
Democracy and Koran are antithesis of each other [30 words]Romesh ChanderApr 18, 2008 12:22126098
7Surah of the day: Understanding the Surahs -- Parallels to Biblical Psalms? [162 words]GWKApr 18, 2008 12:02126094
Is this possible? [320 words]Abu RamliApr 18, 2008 11:47126093
Response to Abu Ramli [20 words]Another AmericanApr 20, 2008 00:57126093
Adapt or disappear: Qur'an [70 words]steven LApr 17, 2008 19:58126035
re Islam's Historical situation and its situation today.... [398 words]Jascha KesslerApr 17, 2008 19:48126034
The importance of definitions [356 words]Ralph C Whaley MDApr 17, 2008 19:25126030
"The importance of definitions, a response" [526 words]Lactantius Jr.May 2, 2008 09:07126030
Marcus' laws of electoral democracy in Moslem-majority countries [109 words]G. MarcusApr 17, 2008 19:10126027
3WHAT MAKES ISLAM DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RELIGIONS [207 words]G. MarcusApr 17, 2008 18:32126023
what makes Islam different [334 words]Imam Ahmed Syeed Ali MuhammedMay 16, 2008 14:24126023
1The Mullah Ahmed and the word Jihad and the word Ijtihad [283 words]dhimmi no moreMay 22, 2008 06:45126023
The reality [28 words]Ahmed SalehAug 18, 2012 00:04126023
True democracy [220 words]Rebecca MouldsApr 17, 2008 17:38126014
Democracy & Islam 2 [327 words]IanApr 18, 2008 04:31126014
1Islam and democracy [119 words]dhimmi no moreApr 19, 2008 18:31126014
What about "Islam within a democracy"? [88 words]jennifer solisApr 24, 2008 04:23126014
Good OpEd -- [705 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
GWKApr 17, 2008 17:34126012
Dr P -- A couple of Q's for you on Erdogan and Turkey, Please [187 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
GWKApr 23, 2008 22:39126012
Better Forum? [361 words]GWKMay 3, 2008 22:17126012
transformation of religion to second (private) fiddle. [260 words]reevesApr 17, 2008 17:34126011
it's in the texts [53 words]leo solomonApr 18, 2008 03:53126011
Freedom of Choice in a Democracy, or Choose to Serve Islam: One Cannot Have Both [494 words]M. ToveyApr 17, 2008 15:52126001
In 6 centuries, maybe, but not in the foreseeable future [192 words]JaredApr 17, 2008 15:17125998
Islam Is a Trojan Horse [105 words]Amil ImaniApr 17, 2008 14:48125995
Response to Amil Imani [9 words]Another AmericanApr 20, 2008 01:06125995
Islamic Reformation? [66 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
PaulApr 17, 2008 14:47125994
Response to Paul and Daniel Pipes [15 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Another AmericanApr 20, 2008 01:12125994
Haskalah [57 words]jennifer solisApr 29, 2008 00:45125994
Democracy or Demolocracy [644 words]MansoorApr 17, 2008 14:26125993
1Our dear mansoor says that the caliphate was a "smooth system"! Really? [452 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 08:03125993
They were martyrs. [192 words]MansoorApr 19, 2008 22:33125993
Caliphs in Islam -- Reply to Mansoor [291 words]Romesh ChanderApr 20, 2008 01:42125993
1Our dear mansoor and the absurd [500 words]dhimmi no moreApr 20, 2008 07:47125993
Turn your face... [159 words]MansoorApr 22, 2008 09:30125993
1Our dear Mansoor and his praise of Arabian imperialism [82 words]dhimmi no moreApr 22, 2008 21:37125993
2Dream on our dear Mansoor [430 words]dhimmi no moreApr 23, 2008 13:32125993
1caliphate means what? [233 words]G.VishvasMay 10, 2008 10:40125993
Fundamental Issue [48 words]Mark GApr 17, 2008 14:20125992
Democracy, Islam, and the way out, if there is one.... [329 words]Denis MacEoinApr 17, 2008 14:12125989
ethnocentric [131 words]jimApr 17, 2008 13:18125986
‘Islamic-Democracy' is oxymoronic [195 words]OliverApr 17, 2008 12:53125985
Are Muslims doomed to follow the same path? [96 words]Solomon2Apr 17, 2008 12:50125984
Islam and Democracy [179 words]OldBlue64Apr 17, 2008 12:03125980
Heartening Disheartening History [209 words]David SabghirApr 17, 2008 12:00125979
Defining "Islamic Democracy" [139 words]Mike RamirezApr 17, 2008 12:00125978
anxious times for Turkey [448 words]trans-parereApr 17, 2008 11:45125977
Muslims receive no benefits from the government [70 words]Lars NielsenApr 17, 2008 10:41125973
You're killing me [216 words]K.H. AhmedApr 17, 2008 10:04125969
not necessarily [199 words]mz ravin blackApr 17, 2008 23:20125969
Democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible [307 words]David CampbellApr 17, 2008 09:47125967
Lybian piracy [66 words]Marie-ClaudeApr 17, 2008 17:08125967
Newsweek and the Barbary Pirates - Islam and Democracy revisted [239 words]David CampbellApr 23, 2008 16:33125967
Mr Campbell [64 words]Marie ClaudeApr 23, 2008 18:24125967
"Tradition of Piracy"? Sorry, Marie-Claude, that won't cut it [133 words]jennifer solisApr 24, 2008 05:01125967
is that a proof ? [24 words]Marie-ClaudeApr 24, 2008 17:25125967
A complex issue [1008 words]Amitabh TripathiApr 17, 2008 09:42125966
You've touched to the core of the issue [347 words]Bob JenksApr 18, 2008 10:38125966
western civilization never allows anything grows parallel to capitalism [260 words]syed muhammad aliApr 17, 2008 09:22125965
A Democratic Islam [60 words]PhillipApr 17, 2008 09:21125964
A clear and succinct summary of the situation - thank you so much [151 words]Bob JenksApr 17, 2008 08:57125962
I suppose... [26 words]Doug CorriganApr 17, 2008 08:55125961
"the family" [564 words]German ObserverApr 17, 2008 08:52125960
Islam, the missing links [32 words]Marie ClaudeApr 17, 2008 07:49125956
To Daniel Pipes: Religion of Democracy is not more 'Just' than Religion of Islam [291 words]Syed Rafey HusainApr 17, 2008 06:43125952
HUSSAIN YOUR STATEMENTS [575 words]S.MirzaApr 19, 2008 02:38125952
Gotta luv Daniel Pipes [59 words]jennifer solisApr 24, 2008 05:38125952
Syed Raffey: More about women and slaves in Islam [381 words]PlatoMay 2, 2008 00:10125952
Liberal democracy is not a religion, neither is "real" Islam: both are political philosophies [192 words]WedhimmissubmitwillinglyOct 3, 2008 19:43125952
To Wedhim: Liberal democracy, if it does not teaches that one day you will die then it is false in its very essence [85 words]Syed Rafey HusainOct 7, 2008 03:22125952
Islam doesn't work as a political philosophy [302 words]WedhimmissubmitwillinglyOct 8, 2008 12:52125952
Democracy & Islam [212 words]Ian CampbellApr 17, 2008 05:56125948
U.S. STATE DEPT GETS IT ALL WRONG ON TURKEY AND ITS EU MEMBERSHIP [757 words]G. MarcusApr 17, 2008 05:46125947
No Muslims No Terrorists [297 words]Alain Jean-MairetApr 17, 2008 05:45125946
Alain has it right! [29 words]Doug CorriganApr 24, 2008 11:05125946
wrong [19 words]marie-ClaudeApr 25, 2008 16:59125946
Don't you forget the Care Bears [12 words]Alain Jean-MairetApr 26, 2008 06:41125946
A Democratic Islam? [96 words]Ilbert PhillipsApr 17, 2008 05:20125926
Democracy and Islam [735 words]Erich WiegerApr 17, 2008 05:07125924
close, but a bit off-mark [218 words]TajApr 17, 2008 04:43125921
Taj: Is Allah being just presumptuous in 9:111? [324 words]PlatoMay 2, 2008 00:17125921
yesterdays hand was brushed aside [319 words]trans-parereMay 3, 2008 21:34125921
a bit about jails [110 words]TajMay 5, 2008 20:31125921
all decisions are of great consequence [611 words]trans-parereMay 6, 2008 18:59125921
Allah is never presumptuous [203 words]TajMay 16, 2008 14:40125921
pattern of behavior [141 words]TajMay 17, 2008 04:45125921
yes, the individuals patern of behavior not their skin colour. [725 words]trans-parereMay 17, 2008 21:59125921
Taj: Not really? Really? [625 words]PlatoMay 18, 2008 08:38125921
Yup, really... Plato [677 words]TajJun 1, 2008 19:43125921
1Taj: The Prophet's last sermon made Muslim women domestic animals/prisoners of men [999 words]PlatoJun 18, 2008 04:22125921
not hardly... [516 words]TajJun 22, 2008 01:14125921
3Taj: An expected response. But why does Allah and his apostle allow women to be beaten? [1293 words]PlatoJun 26, 2008 04:51125921
Point well taken. [14 words]jennifer solisApr 17, 2008 03:21125910
Veil for all [309 words]ThiaganApr 28, 2008 08:21125910
"Head covering" in the Bible [249 words]jennifer solisApr 28, 2008 17:16125910
addendum [35 words]True BelieverMay 5, 2008 07:15125910
establishment clause [35 words]Francesco MangasciàApr 17, 2008 02:42125907
Silk purse [46 words]Roger WarnerApr 20, 2008 07:29125907
Silk purse and Vatican [136 words]Francesco MangasciàApr 21, 2008 03:23125907
Democracy and Islam [388 words]Carl GoldbergApr 17, 2008 01:58125904
lost honour [128 words]leo solomonApr 17, 2008 17:39125904
Democratic Islam is impossible ! [37 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreApr 19, 2008 01:26125904
Islamic democracy [87 words]joeMay 18, 2008 07:28125904

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