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Our dear mansoor and the absurd

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 20, 2008 at 07:47

Our dear Mansoor wrote

>You mentioned the noble names of Islamic Caliphs who were martyred and gave their lives for Islamic supremacy.

Islamic supremacy? oh the Arabian imperialism thing. They were killed by those that wanted more share of the looting.

>People on this high influential level always have great risk for their lives. The betrayals and conspiracies are always there in every society...Pointing Islam in particular is unjust.

But you wrote that the so called caliphate was a "smooth system" did you forget?

>Would you mind accepting that Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan etc were attacked and later 2 were killed? Would you comment on that???

No one claim that Lincoln or Kennedy or Reagan was a khalifatu Allah and no one can claim that the American democracy is a "smooth system" and non of them was killed or shot because the person who committed such crime wanted his share of the loot. The people that shot them were crazy people and you can only blame your Allah for such crazy people after all the Qur'an says that this life is about al-qada' wa al-qadr so how can we get in touch with Allah and tell him to stop carzy people from shooting famous people?Do you have his e-mail address?

So you can see that your comparison is a real reflection of your poor education

>No Muslim was involved in it...(had that been committed today...instantly Osama would have been linked....thanks to the most agile CIA).

Involved in what? The killing of the 3 khalifas? Are you for real?

>Killing of leaders is always seen as a high risk to important people alive since long. Islamic Caliphs did not use security belt or squad for them.

Really? So I have a few questions for you:

1. How come Allah did not stop such crimes from taking place?Could it be because he is not omnipotent?

2. The Qur'an says that it is all about al-qada' wa al-qadr which means that Allah planned it this way. So you can only blame your Allah for killing 3 khalifas. So how can we tell your Allah that he is responsible for the death of these 3 so called "noble men"?

3. And why would Allah wanted them killed? Unless your Allah did not want them around. Do you think that may be Allah wanted more share of the loot?

>They were living with open risk because they knew that if any thing has to happen not even meters of thick wall or sealed room can save them. The time of death is ugly it does not require any door to enter...no thick wall no security measures can stop the death reaching your throat.

How do you know that? Oh the sira or is it the bogus hadith?

>The examples you gave lost their meanings....because conspiracies and backstabbing has long human history and is found in every society.

Islamic gobbledygook and so much for your claim that the caliphate was a "smooth system"

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