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Tovey: You need to read Noth's: Quellenkritische! The flying carpet of Soulyman and other sordid matters

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Nov 19, 2021 at 07:20

You wrote:

>[The Battle of Mu'tah (: مَعْرَكَة مُؤْتَة‎

I could not read your transliteration. I would transliterate it as:

1. م ------> M

2. ؤ ------> uu'

3. ت -------> T

4. ة ----------> This is Ta marbouta and it is silent and it is really the clue that this word is from Aramaic

This is how I would transliterate it: Muu'ta

Notice that adding a H at the end could mean to an Arabic speaker: ه or Heh or ح or Ha

I believe that this word is Arabized Aramaic and it very well could be from the Aramaic word ܡܘܬܐ or Muuta

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DC%A1%DC%98%DC%AC%DC%90

Now, did معركة/غزوة موتة really happen? If you believe this story then I have a bridge to sell you.

Did you read A Noth's "The Early Arabic Historical Tradition"? If no then you must read it.

The قصة (story fable) is mentioned in Ibn Hisham's redaction of Ibn Ishaq's Sira as well as in al-Maghazi's by al-Waqidi and the story is not to be believed. They tell us that al-Ruum had a garrison, in one recension, of 100,000 soldiers and in another recension 200,000 soldiers. Notice that this so called battle took place 2 years after the very long and bloody war between the Greeks and the Persians. And for Allah's sake why would the Greeks deploy a garrison of 200,000 soldiers in the middle of no where? The priority of the Greeks in 629 AD was to secure their biggest asset and that would be Alexandria and not a hamlet in the middle of the desert. But most damaging to this fable is that the Muslim مؤرخين do not agree with each other. Even al-Waqidi tells his readers that the Muslims won and lost and only Allahu A'lam. And later Muslim مؤرخين seem to know more details than Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi as in dating of this "battle." And by the way, it is dated that it took place in August of 629 AD. Can you imagine 200,000 Greek soldiers in the middle of the very hot desert of Trans-Jordan and with very limited water and food supplies?

Here is a link to Islamweb and the fable that never happened

https://www.islamweb.net/ar/article/16663/%D8%BA%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A9-%D9%85%D8%A4%D8%AA%D8%A9

More disasters? We are told that Muhammad told his gang of 3000 men that attacked Muu'ta:

اغزوا باسم الله وفي سبيل الله

Or Invade in the name of Allah and in the path of Allah

More disasters? Then Muhammad said:

وقاتلوا من كفر بالله

Or an fight those that do not believe in Allah!

Notice that Muhammad's God told him in Surat al-Ruum that Muslims were happy because al-Ruum (the believers) won their war with the pagan Persians. So should we believe Allah or Muhammad?

This is another fable not unlike the Quranic flying carpet of Soulyman.

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