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Iasius "sense" and "correction?" Part- II

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Submitted by Don (India), Dec 8, 2005 at 13:01

Iasius writes

Don himself states a little later in his piece," I have not included the physical abuse, torture, terror, abuse and rape of nuns, beating of priests, killings etc" and, "there will be attacks on churches, priest or nuns in that state and sometimes sporadic attacks in neighboring states…", the alleged attacks seem to target only the clergy. Perhaps one can imagine the level of provocation provided by these agents of rank commercialism, sufficient to cause the traditionally docile and tolerant ‘Hindu' to turn violent!

So you thought that was an antithesis and that I was confounded when I said that, right? Well in your blind haste you have failed to emphasize what implied and had jumped exultingly for "believing" that you had found a "confusion"…the poor soul you are!

Do you know why I didn't include human life? Because that would be in itself a broad topic. But since you wanted it, here it is! (only preiest are attacked, Iasius?)

A priest attending the poor KILLED by "mobs"
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/genocide/christians/cleanshr.html

Christian priest MURDERED and a nun is attacked
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

Father Job Chittilappilly was KILLED, Bibles burned, Tabernacle and statues of saints estroyed by a mob of 300 Hindus in Orissa
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1404

Hindu radicals attacking Christian students at a train station in Kota, India
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/111805persecutedindia.asp

Rape of four nuns and the KILLING of a Christian girl and her little brother "by Hindu fundamentalists"….
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/koenraadelst/hfatbjpg.html

November 2001…. Four Christian workers receive serious injuries when they are attacked by a group of Hindu militants near Himmatgarh village of the Dhar district in Madhya Pradesh state……
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

August 2001 In Madya Pradesh state, a nun is shot in the face by four men believed to be militant Hindus
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

December 2000 at least five nuns beaten up and the young cook gang raped. The body of a 35 year old man involved in Christian missionary work is found (KILLED) in Kandhamal, Orissa state;
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

RIOTS
June 2000 Four Christian churches are bombed, in Andrha Pradesh, Karnataka, and Goa, injuring several
people.
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

May 2000 A Christian meeting is bombed at Machlipatnam in the state of Andhra Pradesh…An annual Christian convention in Maharashtra is attacked by a mob of Hindu militants…..
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

September 1999 A Catholic priest, Father Arul Doss, is murdered by a Hindu mob in Jambani in Orissa state
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

Copies of Bible snatched, devotees slapped during a prayer meeting, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm

Mob attack on a catholic School, Patna, Bihar
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm

Bajrang Dal men beat up Christians, Ahmedabad, Gujarat
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm



Attacks on Christians in 2000

The All–India Christian Council claims there have been over 300 attacks targeting Christians and their institutions in different parts of the country in the last two years. Given below is a list of attacks since the dawn of the new millennium.
•January 1: Father Vikas attacked at St. Mary's School, Panipat, Haryana.
•February 18: Attack on a hospital and desecration of Mother Mary's statue, Dindigul, Tamil Nadu.
• March 7: Copies of Bible snatched, devotees slapped during a prayer meeting, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
• March 9: Ish Mata Catholic Church looted, a portion of the rear wall destroyed, Samalkha, Haryana.
•March 12: A computer centre run by the Christians looted; inmates locked, Ghaziabad, UP.
•March 31: Two priests attached to the Archbishop's House taken to police station on fake charges and detained, Agra, UP.
•April 6: St. Dominic's School attacked and the principal abused for refusing admission to a few children, Mathura, UP.
•April 10: Sacred Heart School attacked by parents for not promoting students who had failed in the examinations, Mathura, UP.
•April 11: Murderous attack on the principal and nuns of St. Teresa School, Koshi Kalan, UP.
•April 21: Christian group from Hyderabad attacked, literature they were carrying set on fire by Bajrang Dal activists, Haryana.
•April 25: Two nuns hit by a scooterist, Rewari, Haryana.
•May 2: Masked men assault nuns at a convent, Jhansi, UP.
•May 3: Christian group beaten up The Dangs, Gujarat.
•May 3: Break-in at a church, Sagarpur, Delhi.
•May 4: Mob attack on a catholic School, Patna, Bihar.
•May 6: Bajrang Dal men beat up Christians, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
•May 6: 13 Christians arrested for holding prayer meetings and street plays without prior permission, The Dangs, Gujarat.
•May 9: The VHP, Bajrang Dal men barge into a girls' hostel and assault those watching a film on Jesus Christ, Nasik, Maharashtra.
•May 11: A Jesuit stabbed, Basavanpura village near Bangalore, Karnataka.
•May 13: 3 churches attacked in Indore
•May 16: A priest attacked, Bhind, MP.
•May 21: 30 people injured in a bomb blast at a prayer meeting, Machilipatnam, Andhra Pradesh.
•May 21: Prayer homes torched, Kandhmal district, Orissa.
•May 29: IED's found in churches, Medak, Vikarabad, AP.
•June 7: A priest murdered at Paulus Memorial School, Mathura,UP.
•June 8: Bomb explosion in churches, Karnataka, AP and Goa.
•June 11: A priest is killed, Jalandhar, Punjab.
•June 14: Priest beaten, paraded, in a village in Jagdalpur, MP.
•June 18: Eyewitness of priest's murder dies in police custody, Mathura, UP.
•June 24: Graves dug up near church, AP.
•June 27: Miscreants ransack a church, Pusad,
•July 5: Missionary school guard beaten up, Jhansi, UP.
•July 5: Bajrang Dal force closure of Christian school, Ahmedabad


Iasisus comments

"Both Babri Masjid and Gujarat happened for reasons about which Don is as usual confused. Babri Masjid, from all honest accounts, was stubborn and persistent refusal by the Muslim community to correct historical usurpation of a site sacred to a section of the ‘Hindus'. For Muslims, it was no more than another mosque,.."

The reason of its destruction is not what I'm trying to exhibit here. The point here is (which you seem to dodge) a "mob" or "multitude" of thousands or millions can rise to a religious or political occasion instigated by certain "leader" or "leaders"…Good that you got my point! why the mosque was destroyed is not the bone of contention here. The same leader that instigated the mob are now shedding crocodile tears and "regretting what they have done" and are now calling for harmony and peace among all Indians. There was better ways to solve the Babri Mosque case in civilized way for eternity, even if it takes time instead of regretting afterwards…. "Babri Masjid destruction on 6 December was 'unfortunate and painful'….L. K Advani……. http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01052001/Art06.htm)

Iasius continues

Actually, anyone who is aware of her (Mother Theresa) inspiration, thoughts and actions might be "shy" to say she was a ‘fellow-human being'!

Mother Theresa not a human being? Your arrogance has no limits and I feel so sad that I'm trying to discuss with a "human" like you (if you are really human).

Again

"And, by the way, Christianity does not convert by force only because it can't. It certainly would if it could. Even Gandhi was "allergic" to missionary activism and its sole purpose, proselytization"..

Yes, Christianity doesn't convert by force. It is really nonsense to make someone accept Jesus Christ by force or at gun point or by money. Yes Christianity will not convert by force, because it is against the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ. Forcing someone to accept Christ is really ridiculous.

It is obvious that Gandhi might have some negative things to say about missionaries because the work of the missionaries was always attached with colonial powers at that time. But that doesn't mean even missionaries were not doing good work at that time.
You keep on chanting "proselytization" like a tune. Look at the percentage of Indian Christians in the past 40-50 years. It is merely at the lowest percentage of 2% and has remained so for the past four decades and you talk about proselytization and "mass conversion"! I know for an atheist like you even the 2% is bewilderment!

As to your atheistic article of missionaries did that, they did this (even connecting them with mafias) I better dump it as goosy.

The madness continues

"Experience has taught Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists that they have nothing to fear from ‘Hindus' on account of any doctrinal consideration. Your "next target" hypothesis about Sikhs, Jains, et al, is thus pathetically untenable because these denominations are part of the same ‘Hindu' tradition of tolerance (as a principle, not policy) with whom they share a common destiny….."

Here iasuis is trying to lecture to us that since Hinduism is tolerant it doesn't have any problem inside it. This is to say like since all Christians denominations have a common destiny so they don't have misunderstanding or since Islam has one Book and one prophet there is not dispute among all the Muslim denominations. Read the "politicization" of Hinduism and the friction it has created with the Sikh community a post written by a B.Singh on this same topic Dec 2, 2005 06:30 To Vishnu-The Evils of Hindu Fanatics on Sikhs"….Even Hinduism has internal problem just like any other religion. It is a common knowledge that any "believing" Hindu who might not "subscribe" to the ideology of the fanatics can also be a target by the same people. The Islamic Iran has warned its' own Muslim countries of being too "complaisant." with Israel…for fanatic people there is nothing more irritating than seeing their follow "co-religionists" becoming "soft" or "cooperating" with the people whom you see as a "threat" . The RSS fanatic as they are can get irritated if the Jains (being one of the most peaceful and non violent by nature) instead of standing with them and fight for "Hindutva", slide away or brush them aside"…This can anger the RSS and make the Jains "traitors" or "cowards" and they can be potential targets too. They will be wise enough not to back up someone coming in the name of "violence" because it would do no good to any one and would be potentially catastrophic to the whole nation. That is my point and it was too advanced for you to catch it and made you jump instead to your "hocus-pocus" of how Hinduism is "so- sweet" and is without any bitterness!

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Islam is obeying Allah and Mohammed, Response to saleem Akhtar [205 words]MohammedOct 16, 2005 00:3226891
Islam without quran and Mohammed, Response to Akhtar [121 words]Hamza Y.Oct 16, 2005 01:1626891
To Hamza and Mohammed [557 words]Mohammed Saleem AkhtarOct 16, 2005 10:0226891
An illuminating post by Mohammed [144 words]SullyOct 16, 2005 11:2326891
Wahabis follow quran and sunna, response to Akhtar. [371 words]MohammedOct 17, 2005 13:3526891
Islam cannot be reformed, Response to Mohammed Akhtar [261 words]RobertOct 17, 2005 14:4026891
2Allah hates non muslims, Response to Mohammed Akhtar [450 words]Abdullah A.Oct 17, 2005 15:0626891
Why blame wahabis, response to Akhtar [271 words]MamdouhOct 17, 2005 17:2926891
Koranic verses- a clarification. [372 words]Mohammed Saleem AkhtarOct 20, 2005 12:5526891
Islam is following quran and sunna, Response to Akhtar [244 words]MohammedOct 21, 2005 13:0726891
To Mohammed [348 words]Mohammed Saleem AkhtarOct 22, 2005 02:5226891
Prophet was a living quran, Response to Akhtar [233 words]MohammedOct 24, 2005 02:0326891
I see no hope Akhtar trying to convince Mohammad [186 words]AmarOct 24, 2005 21:2526891
1Mohammed is right. The prophet was the living quran. (Oct 24 post) [596 words]John BastileOct 25, 2005 05:0126891
Question to Mohammed [239 words]A.A.Oct 25, 2005 19:3426891
Mis understanding of dawah [200 words]yusuf AbdullahAug 27, 2006 14:3626891
lies again [89 words]sakina luluAug 30, 2007 13:2926891
Islam cannot be reformed!! [47 words]SM AkhtarJun 25, 2008 13:4426891
Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) [180 words]Abdullah HaleemMar 22, 2009 19:2426891
A Word of Caution [122 words]Aidan MaconachyOct 12, 2005 21:0926886
1Moderates just waiting to become radical. [204 words]Dale EhrgottOct 12, 2005 19:4426883
geez, what a surprise [439 words]garyOct 12, 2005 19:1926882
Thank you LORD. [188 words]YovenOct 12, 2005 17:0926877
A Decision Rule for Bush's War [85 words]Martin KesslerOct 12, 2005 15:5526874
Seperation of Radical from Islam [257 words]Kevin BaysOct 12, 2005 14:1926871
Reply to Kevin Bays [105 words]MaryOct 13, 2005 02:4226871
George Bush's "War on Terror" speech [277 words]Jacqueline F. KnoblockOct 12, 2005 12:2226866
What Bush should have said ... [384 words]Victor PurintonOct 12, 2005 13:1026866
war on terror [41 words]alessandroSep 28, 2006 01:3926866
Enough political correctness. [298 words]PatOct 12, 2005 11:1526862
Islam IS the problem [202 words]Bill StoreyOct 12, 2005 10:2826858
Bush Declares War on Radical Islam (For Bill Storey) [10 words]Jacqueline F. KnoblockOct 12, 2005 17:1126858
Jihad can be good [55 words]JessOct 12, 2005 09:2526854
Islam and the US Constitution [334 words]Michael GlassOct 12, 2005 07:3826850
Bush Declares War on Radical Islam [216 words]Michael GlassOct 12, 2005 06:5126845
Abhor violent reaction. Win their heart by conviction that universal love & brotherhood as fundamental principles of ISLAM [320 words]N NatarajanOct 12, 2005 05:4226843
Natarajan is Correct [222 words]WalterOct 12, 2005 21:2726843
and what about the anticonstitutionality of the Holy Book [82 words]francesco G.MangasciaOct 12, 2005 03:2526839
Islamic Jihad [69 words]Swahili DinazOct 12, 2005 02:3626837
A small step in right direction [261 words]Amitabh tripathiOct 12, 2005 02:0626835
to: Amitabh tripathi [292 words]orange yonasonOct 12, 2005 12:0126835
Congratulations but [83 words]Howard E. CookOct 11, 2005 22:3126832
Religion of peace [214 words]RobbyOct 11, 2005 22:0226831
Better Later than Never [791 words]Yehoshua ZellerOct 11, 2005 21:3426830
Barbary Pirates [33 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Gil BOct 11, 2005 21:1026829
1Religion of Bin Laden and his Ilk is Islam [300 words]JaladhiOct 11, 2005 20:5126828
Inspired By Jaladhi [73 words]orange yonasonOct 12, 2005 12:1426828
A Top 25 Comment! [34 words]Cornelia CreasyOct 12, 2005 13:2626828
militant islam is islam [170 words]henry newmanOct 11, 2005 19:2926826
Bush Declares War on Radical Islam [208 words]NTMOct 11, 2005 18:3426825
Where are the moderates? The reformists? [90 words]Always On WatchOct 11, 2005 18:2126823
Bush war on islam [56 words]bobOct 11, 2005 18:0426821
Is Radical Islam and better than the Radical Religious Right ? [234 words]Gunther SteinbergOct 11, 2005 17:4526819
Response to Gunther Steinberg [455 words]DebraOct 31, 2005 23:2926819
Stop the dribble, state the facts [177 words]J ForceOct 11, 2005 17:3926818
Islamism - a distraction from Islam [146 words]AndrewOct 11, 2005 17:3726817
There is one islam [274 words]M. J. KhanOct 11, 2005 17:2326816
M.J. Khan knows.... [252 words]Cornelia CreasyOct 12, 2005 08:5426816
Sick of the hypocrisy [326 words]Future ACLU OpponentOct 11, 2005 17:0826815
Reply to Future ACLU Opponent [82 words]MaryOct 12, 2005 10:3826815
Extreme Islamists are dissatisfied with our world and want to leave [109 words]David GoshenOct 11, 2005 16:5426814
Presidential support [114 words]Thomas Earl CannadyOct 11, 2005 16:1726812
jihad [228 words]Donald W. BalesOct 11, 2005 16:1126811
The plot thickens. [44 words]Darwin BarrettOct 11, 2005 15:4126808
Halfway measures [428 words]Charles FortnerOct 11, 2005 15:2426806
An Islamic empire all over the world [63 words]David AlgazeOct 11, 2005 15:2326805
Funny [57 words]Kosovan MuslimMar 13, 2006 10:3126805
war on islam [56 words]samDec 31, 2007 15:4126805
Bush is wrong; not an ideology like Communism [246 words]Steve KleinOct 11, 2005 15:0826804
What of those who do not preach violence? [186 words]J.S.Oct 11, 2005 15:0626803
Al Qaeda, Sinai, Iskander SS-26 & Bush's words [352 words]Nachum ' Nick" WiesenfeldOct 11, 2005 15:0326802
For "Nick".....Inalienable rights [142 words]Cornelia CreasyOct 13, 2005 08:1226802
Mr. President: What took you so long? [100 words]There is NO Santa ClausOct 11, 2005 14:5026801
WHAT THEY WANT IS THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. [139 words]BATYA DAGANOct 11, 2005 14:4826800
Radical Islam [210 words]Dr. Anthony RuffinoOct 11, 2005 14:2126799
Islamism And It's Intimate Connection With Nazism [58 words]orange yonasonOct 11, 2005 14:1126797
It's A Start, But... [291 words]orange yonasonOct 11, 2005 13:5526796
Faithfully Sounding the Alarm [174 words]Norman SingerOct 11, 2005 13:5226795
Bush declares our enemy.. [52 words]kim segarOct 11, 2005 13:4326794
Sharia Laws [241 words]Apostate of islamOct 11, 2005 13:2426793
Koran misquoted? and nature of Islam [280 words]Jonathan David CarsonOct 11, 2005 13:2326792
Pipes Right on with Islamic Threat [42 words]Cynthia GrenierOct 11, 2005 13:2326791
Unimpressed by Bush [32 words]Roger W. TalbotOct 11, 2005 13:2226790
Response to Roger re Gaza Strip [147 words]SullyOct 11, 2005 16:3026790
Sully, You Are Missing The Point [129 words]orange yonasonOct 12, 2005 13:2626790
War on Islam or on Islamism [46 words]Romesh ChanderOct 11, 2005 13:1026789
war on Islam [210 words]peter poweSep 27, 2006 23:2626789
Explicit candor [74 words]Yair WeinstockOct 11, 2005 13:0326788
Pipes' Points Finally Having Impact [193 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
steve chambersOct 11, 2005 12:5726787
A light at the end of the tunnel [99 words]abrahamOct 11, 2005 12:5426786
Need to remove Islam from religion [499 words]John BastileOct 11, 2005 12:5226785
Comment on John Bastile post [101 words]A.A.Oct 11, 2005 15:5226785

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