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To Iasius- If one can't convince should one confuse?

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Submitted by Don (India), Nov 10, 2005 at 05:44

Dear iasius

When I read your post I could not help remembering the Michael J. Fox starring movie "Back to the future"…well I guess one can't help the feeling of sometimes ‘to go back' and see the past.

But how much of history is historical? Talking about history and conspiracy theories let me ponder on some thought on how the future historian might treat our present and past. The following is an assumed, oversimplified idea of how might one historian, let's say in the 26th century might say. Remember as time goes by, every historical evidence is gradually lost and all we get with each passing time is bits and pieces here and there.

Is Abraham Lincoln historical?

26th century historian:
He can and can't be too. We are not quite sure. All the evidence we have about him are few and mostly come from the "American sources". There is no enough record of his childhood or early years.

What about Genghis Khan?

26th century historian:
This person in all probabilities is a mythical folk-hero. As the Chinese and Japanese had glorious history and historical figures, most probably the character called ‘Genghis' was a myth fabricated by the hero-hungered Mongols to boost their dull country's image.

What bout the several documents and coins depicting him?

26th century historian:
Those are few and unreliable and besides they lack chronology. Some of them can be forged too. The legend of ‘Genghis' might have been copied from the Greek hero, Alexander as there are some similarities between them. In those days, a single man with few men seem to conquer half or the whole world. These are myth-based and should be taken as such and forgotten. It is noteworthy to mention that, there is almost nothing of any sort written about the childhood of ‘Genghis' and his early life. His existence is dubious.

What about the Jewish holocaust in the WW II?

26th century historian:
Hitler is a historical figure but the holocaust is not. The holocaust was just a story fabricated by the Western powers to create a home land for the Jewish people. They fabricated the story because they wanted the world to sympathize with the Jewish people!

What about all the documents, pictures and historical evidences?

26th century historian:
It is true that some few Jewish have died in the war. But Hitler didn't specifically target the Jewish. Those pictures are of the many anti-Hitler Europeans including Germans who got targeted and killed in the war. But Hitler didn't specifically target the Jewish. (Remember there are still many Muslims who even now deny the holocaust occurred. Imagine if the Muslims start teaching their children that it was a conspiracy and never happened? In 200- 300 years time we will have more than millions may be billion of new generation Muslims denying it!)

The same conspiracy can be said said about WTC in Sept 9 2001, that there is no enough evidence to say it was done by 1 or 2 unarmed (empty- handed) young men by simply overpowering hundreds of passengers in a plane and crushing it with a builidng. (just 1 or 2 pictures of some young men boarding a plane might not be taken as concrete evidence by some). A famous Pakistani Muslims cleric on BBC hard talk with Stephen even said "Muslims didn't do that. They don't have the "necessary means". Many Muslims believe it was done by CIA/Yahudis to spoil the image of Islam and to get a reason to invade Iraq and Afghanistan!...the proof?..hmmm..why did the President lie there is WMD in Iraq? That is the proof he wanted to Invade!...in 200-300 years time, this and other conspiracy theories will be bought off easily and believed as "the Truth" in the Islamic world and by Leftiest, PCs and who knows may be Democrats within the US.

Jesus is not historical but Pilate is!...proof of Pilate? who cares!.... Jesus is not historical but Paul is! The historicity of Paul, should not be questioned or doubted because it will then be easy to debunk Jesus as the Pauline myth. For that people will be so comfortable with just one historical evidence of Paul's existence. Just one is enough.

Dear Iasius though conspiracy theories are sure bound to happen in the far future for our present history, I could not help asking you the following questions.

1. The New Testament has messages said to be taught by Jesus Christ. Can you please get me some messages thought by those other babies born from virgins (Dionysus, Attis, Adonis and Mithra?). I just want to know why those peoples story didn't stick on. Is it because the church destroyed it or was it after all a message worth not sticking on in the first place?

2. If Christ's agenda was political as a Jew why didn't he get the overwhelming support of his Jewish people against the Romans?

3. Again by saying that Christ agenda was political are you not implying that Christ existed and is historical figure?

4. Do you think any political fighter or leader aspiring to overthrow a colonizing power who wants the uncompromising support of his people would utter the words…. "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: [12:52] For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. [12:53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother….."? can you name any freedom fighter with similar attitude and who overthrew a super-colonizing power successfully?

5. You have said Christianity is a copy of Mithraism. Mithraism originated in Persia. Mithra was a god worshipped not only by Persians but also by Indians. Neither Persia nor India was ever a Christian country or wholly occupied and Christianized by any Christian forces. If so, then there should be enough evidence of Mithraic beliefs and messages in those countries. Did the church destroy those beliefs in those countries too? Isn't that like saying America destroyed Communism form the world by forcing Capitalism in Cuba and Yugoslavia leaving Russian the mother and genesis of Communism intact? Isn't that like curing the symptom and not the disease?

Awaiting your reply,
Best wishes,


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