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Goals and winning
Reader comment on item: Israel Shuns Victory

Submitted by Daniel Nanavati (United Kingdom), Apr 1, 2006 at 14:00

WW1 was a clash of Empires where several interestes wanted to rule and Germany lost. The peace Treaty of versailles was so designed to impoverish Germany and the seeds of WW2 are in that Peace Treaty.

Commentators amongst Jewry forget that until the 1980s the Middle East was a proxy war between Russia and America. Of course Arabs are militant nationalists but they were armed to the teeth and encouraged by Russia. Russia still displays those close links and in many ways the friends of the Arabs still display the 19th Century interests of vieing Empires.

The problem we face is that the Arabs are defeated, they just don't know it yet.

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Pipe(s) dream
[w/response] [44 words]
CanuckOct 8, 2008 10:02
israel must fight to live because of islamic hatred [71 words]Phil GreendJun 2, 2007 08:10
Israel, Jews, and THEIR LAND !! [28 words]KatApr 3, 2007 10:23
Israel Shuns Victory Art. No.3479 [65 words]S.C.PandaMay 19, 2006 03:56
win the war [118 words]alan winters, md, jd.Apr 7, 2006 14:47
Israel - Protected in Victory or Defeat [600 words]M. ToveyApr 5, 2006 19:24
amen [105 words]true believerApr 7, 2006 08:05
Amir Taheri [36 words]Elisha GalonApr 3, 2006 09:04
3 questions in Haaretz for Dr Pipes
[w/response] [43 words]
HARRAKApr 1, 2006 22:34
Divine intervention hay [128 words]renchApr 1, 2006 15:46
The Resolution for the Israeli-Arab conflict is " PEEMO " [307 words]JohnApr 1, 2006 15:01
Noble intentions, indeed, but.... [126 words]Arvind MadhavanApr 2, 2006 04:24
Spell it out Mr Pipes
[w/response] [45 words]
Barry LevesonApr 2, 2006 08:03
if dreams could come true [17 words]ahmad zafireApr 2, 2006 13:00
PEEMO will be based on hard work, good service [47 words]TrickeryJul 19, 2008 09:45
⇒ Goals and winning [110 words]Daniel NanavatiApr 1, 2006 14:00
Palestinians refusing to destroy poultry infected with bird flu [163 words]ChrisApr 1, 2006 13:22
The bird flu is just the least of it [90 words]yuval brandstetter MDApr 3, 2006 10:34
Suicide [154 words]Arvind MadhavanApr 1, 2006 07:39
To Arvind Madhavan, you are correct., [375 words]faqiApr 2, 2006 15:35
Palestinians = Islamists [431 words]PTApr 1, 2006 04:03
Palistinians are moslems [4 words]MMHannaApr 17, 2006 18:14
Game Theory approach [78 words]Eric MaassMar 31, 2006 22:04
wrong on two counts [149 words]yuval brandstetter MDApr 1, 2006 07:20
RE: ⇒ Game Theory approach [179 words]LeaNderApr 1, 2006 11:19
A good idea but.... [52 words]John YorkeJun 16, 2007 08:20
Broader implications [423 words]Reuben HorneMar 31, 2006 18:31
Finessing War, America's or Israel's fault? [67 words]SimpletonMar 31, 2006 15:18
Pipes is on target, but ahead of his time. [282 words]Jerry KrasnowMar 31, 2006 08:49
Full of Contradictions [125 words]WiktorMar 31, 2006 08:22
the international community is the problem [232 words]peter42y2Mar 31, 2006 05:28
to peter42y2 [13 words]garyApr 1, 2006 11:19
we are just not determined enough, sorry [286 words]idanMar 31, 2006 01:33
america partly to blame. [139 words]ahmad zafireMar 30, 2006 20:26
to zafire [116 words]garyMar 31, 2006 15:22
No Ahmad, you have to go back 1,400 years to find anyone living in peace. [311 words]GregMar 31, 2006 22:46
gary [126 words]ahmad zafireApr 1, 2006 17:00
to zafire [63 words]garyApr 7, 2006 18:14
Destruction [79 words]Daniel BackMar 30, 2006 17:46
Memo to Daniel: They had a state in 1948 and they rejected it! [225 words]GregMar 31, 2006 23:02
The price of victory [288 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 30, 2006 16:06
You've made sense when I've read your comments before. . . but this [164 words]sullyMar 31, 2006 13:54
COMMENTARY ON ISRAELI ELECTION RESULTS [645 words]Fern SidmanMar 30, 2006 12:51
excellent essay Fern but that is horse not an SUV dialogue/ if we reverse the situation!!! [245 words]HARRAKMar 30, 2006 16:39
To Fern - Can you clarify? [129 words]PatMar 30, 2006 20:47
Dear Fern [141 words]Kenneth S. BesigMar 31, 2006 05:02
With the UN and the EU now in charge, everybody shuns victory! [131 words]Kenneth S. BesigMar 30, 2006 10:17
Peace cannot be attained by cajoling the side that wants peace [131 words]SullyMar 30, 2006 09:52
Israel shuns victory
[w/response] [21 words]
ariMar 30, 2006 06:07
False example and overgeneralization [117 words]EJMar 29, 2006 22:16
it's not really their 'home' [161 words]Donald OMar 29, 2006 20:49
what utter and complete nonsense [151 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 30, 2006 16:49
Donald O [318 words]Bill HaleyMar 30, 2006 17:41
Donald O, Propaganda or History [379 words]InfidelMar 30, 2006 19:27
Lesson in history for Infidel [317 words]Bader SMar 31, 2006 17:52
RE: Bill [241 words]Donald OMar 31, 2006 20:26
re: yuval [298 words]Donald OMar 31, 2006 20:38
Home ownership [260 words]yuval brandstetter MDApr 1, 2006 07:39
Bader S is right again [156 words]InfidelApr 2, 2006 03:22
barabric acquisition [67 words]yuval brandstetter MDApr 3, 2006 16:54
No compromise [379 words]true believerApr 7, 2006 10:51
The hour has come [228 words]MIMar 29, 2006 18:33
I thought I'd read it all..... [201 words]Bryan JacksonMar 31, 2006 16:48
Israel In A Crisis Of Confidence [76 words]AnneMMar 29, 2006 13:27
It's all about INTENTIONS [461 words]Peter FeinsteniMar 29, 2006 12:41
Victory or Oblivion [207 words]Peter H. RonaiMar 29, 2006 11:00
who is the winner in the Israeli Arab conflict!? [22 words]HarrakMar 29, 2006 10:47
its the opposite [43 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 30, 2006 16:57
a parallel between Israeli avoidance and American blindness [173 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.Mar 29, 2006 10:11
Israel Shuns Victory [51 words]buck schottMar 29, 2006 09:27
Israel isn't fighting for acceptance. [62 words]Ido CarmiMar 29, 2006 09:02
RE: Israel isn't fighting for acceptance [165 words]JohnApr 2, 2006 17:36
You are absolutely right Mr.Daniel Pipes, but [70 words]Y.EliashivMar 29, 2006 08:53
Israel Shuns Victory [24 words]RBMar 29, 2006 08:51
A LESSON FROM THE BLACK ANT [475 words]NEIL CAMERON / 6443Mar 29, 2006 05:30
magnum opus of the list [133 words]Brendan GormleyMar 29, 2006 05:22
How to Win [224 words]Dave GreenMar 29, 2006 01:58
Dave's sobering comment [66 words]JonathannJul 16, 2006 02:22
Success vs Win [196 words]JayMar 29, 2006 01:18
Pipes was wrong
[w/response] [57 words]
ARBMar 29, 2006 00:36
Pipes' broken crystal ball
[w/response] [86 words]
AndrewMar 29, 2006 00:32
The US vs the "Terrorists" not unlike Israel vs the Palestinians. [372 words]Jim WrightMar 28, 2006 23:36
Israel Shuns Victory [58 words]Steven LMar 28, 2006 23:15
relevance, substance and tone and Israeli election. [225 words]HarrakMar 28, 2006 22:53
Shun Violence [359 words]true believerMar 29, 2006 14:35
GoodBye Israel Victory [129 words]Big HopeMar 30, 2006 21:48
proverbs- Harrak [68 words]BarbaraMar 31, 2006 11:43
The symantically challenged Barbara / a lesson on the types of ideas [267 words]HarrakMar 31, 2006 15:37
re : Darwin's theory- Barbara [572 words]true believerApr 21, 2006 09:19
the old way [51 words]jimMar 28, 2006 22:34
Israeli offer [196 words]faqiMar 28, 2006 21:07
To: Faqi [178 words]BlackspeareMar 28, 2006 23:11
Whoever said that Palestinians want peace with Israel? [187 words]GregMar 28, 2006 23:55
in denial [100 words]terry silberMar 29, 2006 08:19
What would victory look like? [57 words]EvanMar 29, 2006 11:17
To Blackspeare [69 words]faqiMar 29, 2006 14:38
Israel Has Always had the Road Map [73 words]Jane OMar 28, 2006 19:09
shunning victory [82 words]robert finkMar 28, 2006 18:32
The next generation... [291 words]J.S.Mar 28, 2006 18:20
WHAT SORT OF SIGNAL IS ISRAEL SENDING? [654 words]Dr. Steve CarolMar 28, 2006 16:18
To: Dr. Carol [258 words]BlackspeareMar 28, 2006 18:33
Israel Avoids Victory [184 words]Gunther H. SchiffMar 28, 2006 16:10
You can't win all wars [159 words]Bruce BoymanMar 28, 2006 15:31
from the begining... hopefully not the end!! [154 words]ahmad zafireMar 28, 2006 21:39
Achieving Victory
[w/response] [136 words]
Gil BindelglasMar 28, 2006 15:29
a Solution [23 words]yuval brandstetter MDMar 30, 2006 17:02
Historical record of victory [175 words]Gabriel H. NewhouseMar 28, 2006 15:13
Winning the War [208 words]Bill StoreyMar 28, 2006 14:55
There is no way to win Arab/Palestinian hearts [218 words]Muriel EfronMar 28, 2006 14:49
Victory - but how?
[w/response] [319 words]
peterMar 28, 2006 14:23
A not irrelevant minor incident in 1967. [63 words]Geoffrey LewisMar 28, 2006 14:22
A War of Endurance [178 words]PatMar 28, 2006 14:16
Concur [142 words]ralph shapiroMar 28, 2006 13:59
The nanny factor in Israel's lap [106 words]marion d s dreyfusMar 28, 2006 13:52
fighting yesteryear's wars [384 words]john w. mcginleyMar 28, 2006 13:51
What is the plan for victory? [104 words]Jonathan D. SafrenMar 28, 2006 13:41
Korea and Moral Equivalency
[w/response] [199 words]
James EckertMar 28, 2006 13:35
One Nagging Question [11 words]randall gMar 28, 2006 13:29
How can Israel win!! [77 words]HarrakMar 29, 2006 15:00
The War of 1967 never ended [323 words]Dr RJPMar 28, 2006 12:44
This is not a war. [538 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiMar 28, 2006 12:33
Four Rupee Dreams [385 words]sanjayMar 29, 2006 14:21
"belong" Sanjay? [151 words]Donald OMar 29, 2006 21:37
Mr. Gulam Muhammad [203 words]Asim DebMar 30, 2006 00:34
Dear Sir from Mumbai... [598 words]J.S.Mar 30, 2006 19:01
"muslim grasp of fundamental aspect of nature"?? [220 words]Anubhav SinghMar 31, 2006 01:51
To Ghulam Muhammed, [69 words]VijayMar 31, 2006 08:23
to ghulam mohammed [358 words]garyApr 1, 2006 11:05
To Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai [252 words]LeaNderApr 2, 2006 11:32
British role in Jewish-Palestinian imbroglio [174 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiJun 23, 2007 03:35
Palestinians [91 words]Seymour TeitelbaumMar 28, 2006 12:32
how to win? [100 words]Shepard BarbashMar 28, 2006 12:31
Shunning Victory [203 words]J GlueckMar 28, 2006 12:27
Daniel is "right on"once again regarding Israel Shuns Victory [57 words]Allyson Rowen TaylorMar 28, 2006 12:21
Likud! Likud! [133 words]Melvin A. FechterMar 28, 2006 12:20
Absolutely right. [248 words]martin kesslerMar 28, 2006 12:03
Defending Sharansky [104 words]David W. LincolnMar 28, 2006 11:51
Question
[w/response] [33 words]
Ziva DahlMar 28, 2006 11:47
Compromise= defeat [110 words]Octavio JohansonMar 28, 2006 11:45
ISRATINE replacing ISRAEL and the UN controled zone project [341 words]HARRAKMar 28, 2006 11:38
Israel's war goals
[w/response] [60 words]
Vic RosenthalMar 28, 2006 11:32
RE: Followup question for Dr. Pipes
[w/response] [104 words]
N. SharonMar 30, 2006 03:53
It seems the Israelis are not interested why the other side thinks the way it does [109 words]Mladen AndrijasevicMar 28, 2006 11:19
To what end? [86 words]PatMar 29, 2006 12:24
Right on the money [140 words]Victor PurintonMar 28, 2006 11:19
Victory? [54 words]maxine cohenMar 28, 2006 10:49
Can Israel survive in spite of spirit of defeatism? [76 words]Steve and Michal KramerMar 28, 2006 10:36
"Israel Shuns Victory" [107 words]ShirleyAnn AddyMar 28, 2006 10:11
Winning [37 words]Donald W. BalesMar 28, 2006 09:58
Victory? [203 words]Elisha GalonMar 28, 2006 09:50
Re (Not) Winning the War [41 words]Anthony DaytonMar 28, 2006 09:39
The Terrirorial Imperative [25 words]Stewart R. GableMar 28, 2006 09:35
Isreal is a Pawn [195 words]William Sumner ScottMar 28, 2006 09:28
We win! We win! [118 words]Donald OMar 29, 2006 21:09
israel DOES shun victory -- absolutely [242 words]rabbi richard polirerMar 28, 2006 09:20
Finally, I Rabbi that makes sense [126 words]Nabil ShwarmaMar 30, 2006 07:32
Israel's survival [105 words]Jerome B. MeyerMar 28, 2006 09:18
Winning the war [115 words]RomanMar 28, 2006 15:32
Israel Shuns Victory [129 words]Asim DebMar 29, 2006 02:49
A question of definition [105 words]JonMar 29, 2006 10:18
How to win? [232 words]Concerned EuropeanMar 28, 2006 09:07
Intractable Enemy [114 words]Paul M. NevilleMar 28, 2006 22:14
strongly agree [53 words]RobertMar 28, 2006 08:39

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