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Mohammad Nozzi: Quoting verses out of context is a favourite deception trick (taqia) of Muslims

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 11, 2009 at 05:43

Nozzi, you wrote:

>>Abdullah! You simply extract the verses from Holy Quran without reading the whole book and jump into the conclusion that Allah encourages holy war. Indeed, if you have browsed through the Holy Quran, you should discover that Allah discourages holy war.<<

You have rightly pointed out that Abdullah has extracted verses from the Koran to come to the coinclusion that Allah encourages war. You are right. But you have done the same to show that Allah is a peaceful god. How do you reconcile these contradictory verses. Depending on the mindset of the Muslim reading the Koran they can give it either a peaceful or violent reading.

Allah Himself says in the Koran that he replaces verses with other verses whenever he wants to or when He thinks up better ones.

002.106 YUSUFALI: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things

013.039 YUSUFALI: Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book

016.101 YUSUFALI: When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not

When people could not understand why Allah came up with contradictory verses or revelations and called Muhammad a forger He conveniently says the listeners do not understand.

Islamic scholars, in case of contradictions, give preference to the Medinan verses as they were revealed later and so logically they substitute the ones that came before them by virtue of 2:106

You also say that Allah discourages holy war. But the question is did Allah discourage ordinary wars for vengeance or for taking booty?

004.077 YUSUFALI: Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah: They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!

In this verse Allah tells Muslims that when the order to fight was given some of them protested and asked Muhammad why Allah wanted to cut short their lives in war and He replies heartlessly that the enjoyment of this world is short-lived and they should strive for the hereafter (by dieing before their time).

Allah allowed the Muslims to attack caravans and take booty including prisoners for ransom as revenge for their having to flee Mecca because of their intolerant preaching against the Meccans holy idols.

008.069 YUSUFALI: But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

>>As you have quoted verses from Quran, the same I have to quote to defend the truth:

Allah is never against the children of Israel since Quran 2:40, "O children of Israel call to mind the (special favour) which I bestowed upon you". The same is in Quran 2:47, "Children of Israel, call to mind (the special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I PREFERRED YOU TO ALL OTHER (my message)".<<

Nozzi read these verses about the Jews in the Koran:

002.096 YUSUFALI: Thou wilt indeed find them, of all people, most greedy of life,-even more than the idolaters: …..

004.046 YUSUFALI: Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and ………..; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.

005.051 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

005.082 YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

007.166 YUSUFALI: When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

>>Allah is never against all other religions since Quran 2:62, "Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, - any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve".<<

Are you saying that Allah has lifted the curse He has put on the Jews with this verse? I suggest you examine which of these verses is the later one, 4:46 or 2:40 and 2:47

What happens to those who do not believe in Allah (god) and the Last Day, the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, atheists and agnostics etc. Going by 2:62 they must end up in hell.

>>The phrase, work righteouesness, in Quran 2:62 demands us to do good to the society instead of vandalism, riot and etc.<<

My dear Nozzi you seem to have no clue that for Allah righteousness is only for Muslims (mostly males). Kaffirs, slaves, women are excluded from Islamic righteousness.

004.093 YUSUFALI: If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him

Has the Koran answered anywhere what happens to a believer who kills an unbeliever intentionally? In innumerable verses Allah says that unbelievers are fit only for the punishment He has waiting for them. Could this be the reason that Muslims condone the killing of non-Muslims? Read:

003.056 YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Men can behave un-righteously with women if they even only fear they will be disloyal, on the orders of Allah:

004.034 YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

Nozzi, is not beating up your wife for merely suspecting she will be disloyal totally unrighteous?

>>Perhaps, many Muslims countries have mis-interpreted the Holy Quran to cause trouble in the society.<<

The Koran itself claims to be a clear book, easy to understand:

054.040 YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

Given this and other verses like it what can you make of these verses which incite Muslims to fight, kill or die in Allah's cause:

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

009.111 YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

The Muslim countries and suicide bombers have not mis-interpreted the Koran. It is Muslims who are ashamed of what the Koran is really saying who come up with this tired excuse of mis-interpretation.

Considering that the Koran has hundreds of verses of threats, curses, abuses and calls to kill those who oppose Allah and His messenger people like Abdallah Ramla have got the interpretation right.

Regards

Plato

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