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Nozzi: Prophet Muhammad set the example of raiding and invading without provocation. For proof read the biography of the prophet

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in response to reader comment: WE, MUSLIMS, FIGHT ONLY WHEN NON-MUSLIMS START THEIR FIGHT AGAINST US

Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 29, 2009 at 07:32

Nozzi, you write:

>>I have mentioned before that we, moderate muslims, support the word, fight, in the Holy Quran only at the time when non-muslims start to fight against us. We do not support that we do not fight. <<

Nozzi, how many times did the Prophet attack caravans to loot them and raid some of the neighbouring tribes to rob them of their lands, and women and children? It is time you educated yourself on the nasty history of your Prophet.

>>Use your rational logic and explanation, could a person stand there simply let non-muslims fight with us and yet we do not defend ourselves.<<

Alright, now using "your rational logic and explanation" should the Meccans have stayed back in Mecca and simply let the Muslims loot their caravans and kill or take captive the guards? In Muhammad's first successful attack on a caravan at Nakhala one Meccan was killed, another taken captive and their goods looted and distributed between the Prophet and the killers. Check with your local Islamic scholar about this incident. There were plenty more incidents like this.

>>We don't find it to be violent since we are playing defensive role in fighting.<<

Who played the defensive role in the Battle of Badr? Who played the defensive role in the conquest of Mecca?

>>The same as Prophet Muhammad, the pagans persecuted them and he fought back since this is the words of Allah to fight for those who begain to fight with us.<<

Why do you believe the utter nonsense that you are fed in your madrassa? The prophet for nearly ten years abused and cursed the belief of his Meccan brothers and they rarely reacted violently. You call this persecution of the Muslims? Wake up Nozzi! And Muhammad drew first blood as soon as he settled down in Madina. He sent some killers to attack a caravan at Nakhla (mentioned above).

>>Previously I have interpreted the word, fight, with you from the Holy Quran, please kindly refer it that we, moderate muslims, support fightings only when non-muslims begin to fight with us.<<

Oh really? Did the Buddhists and Hindus of Afghanistan and India begin the fight with the Arabian Muslims who invaded them? Did the Spanish rulers begin the fight with the Muslim invaders? Did the Egyptian Christians begin the fight with the Arab Muslims?

>>This type of fighting spirit is not to be considered bad since we fight back due to non-muslims are the first to create trouble to us and that is what is taught in the Holy Quran.<<

Was the raid at Nakhla justified? Was the attempt at armed robbery of Abu Sufyan's caravan at Badr justified? Was the surprise attack on the Khaybar Jews justified?

>>Don't mislead anybody for the meaning of the word, fight, in the Holy Quran. See by yourselves and examine the history of Prophet Muhammad and the religion, muslim, and you know what I mean.<<

Nozzi I also request you to buy the biography of the Prophet written by his original biographer (Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham) and try to understand the kind of person Muhammad really was rather listen to the stories put out by dishonest mullahs in your madrassa/mosques. Also read the history of Muslim conquests by Muslim historians of the time. On India read the eight volume 'The History of India' , As Told by its Own Historians by Sir H.M. Elliot and John Dowson. Available from 'Low Price Publicationss' A-6 Nimri Commercial Centre, Near Ashok Vihar Phase IV, Delhi – 110052. These volumes contain translations of the histories written by Muslim historians of the period from the first invasion of India by the Arab Muslim Mohammed Bin Qasim to about the Mugha times.

If you are truly a moderate Muslim as you claim some of the incidents narrated by the historians of what you brother Muslims did in India will want to make you throw up. It has been estimated that nearly 80 million non-Muslims were killed in the Muslim invasions of India.

Regards Plato

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