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Nozzi: You are putting words in my mouth

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 30, 2009 at 09:37

Nozzi you wrote:

>>Plato, you did mention to me that we, moderate muslims, are bad too since we fight back when non-muslims trigger off their war against us.<<

You are using another well-worn ploy of Muslim bloggers. You put words in the mouth of your opponent. Show from any of my posts that when I stated that moderate Muslims are bad because they fight back against non-Muslims who begin the violence?

If you cannot show me in which of my posts I made any such claims it means you are dishonest.

>>The following is an example to prove that fighting in defensive role is indeed acceptable even in the public point of view:

Let's assume that someone approaches you, Plato, to start his fighting against your mother, your father, your mother, and your children. For instance, you know that they will not die if you fight back against them. Now my question is would you fight back against the trouble maker that fights against your family?<<

Self defence is a well-accepted principle of social behaviour. You are charging me with denying this principle. Demonstrate to me using any of my posts to you that I have said that Moderate Muslims should not defend themselves against attacks by non-Muslims.

>>If you say that you would fight against that trouble maker so as to save the lives of your family, that implies that fighting in defensive role is not to be considered bad.<<

Whoever said self-defence is bad? Did I? Show me!

>>However, if you persist not to fight with that trouble maker and it ends up that that trouble maker has killed your family one by one, would you regret your move in not fighting back against him.<<

The few descendants of the Buddhists whom the moderate Muslim followers of Allah slaughtered in Afghanistan and India and from which they never recovered must surely be regretting the passive nature of their religion.

Thus, we, moderate muslims, only fight back when non-muslims start their fighting first and this act should be acceptable in the Public since we are not the first that stir up the problem in the society but that non-muslims start to attack us first and we fight back so as to protect our mosque and our muslim people.

>>For instance, if non-muslims stop immediately to fight with us, we will definitely stop and we will not treat them as our enemies but continues to show good conduct to them and share the message of Allah from the Holy Quran for their repentance.<<

Nozzi please read your Koran before posting such nonsense. When non-Muslims stop fighting humiliation is what is in store for them by order of the Koran:

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Not only does Allah want Muslims to begin the fight with non-Muslims but He also orders you to humiliate them with the Jiziya.

Here is a report of the good conduct Muslims showed to defeated infidels:

Quoted from 'The Legacy of Jihad' edited by Andew Bostom (find it on Amazon.com) has this on page 29:..the thirteenth century Shafiite jurist an-Nawawi: "The infidel who wishes to pay his poll tax (jiziya) must be treated with disdain by the collector; the collector remains seated and the infidel standing in front of him, his head bowed and back bent. The infidel personally must place the money on the scales, while the collector holds him by the beard and strikes him on both cheeks."

>>If non-muslims do not start their fighting with us, we, moderate muslims, will not start our fighting with them and we will not stir up vandalism, riots, violence and/or etc. to the public but eagerly to wait for the repentance of non-muslims by sharing the message of Allah from the Holy Quran to them.<<

In Singapore have the non-Muslims started any fights with you? But your prophet whom you are supposed to imitate set an example for you to follow by attacking without any provocation.

Muslims always stir up vandalism and riots for no good reason. You rioted when cartoons of your prophet appeared in Danish newspapers. You vandalized when the pope made a comment on Muslims. Non-Muslims can't open their mouths without it being considered as 'fighting against Muslims' by your brothers in Islam.

>>Not only that, we will continue to show good conduct show that non-muslims might see our conduct to turn back to Allah.<<

Where on this earth are Musls showing their good conduct? In Singapore? Singapore has only about half a million Muslims. The rest of the world has more than a billion of your brothers. They are not showing good conduct anywhere. Not in Thailand or Indonesia or Philippines, or Pakistan or India or …how many more countries do you want me to name?

Regards

Plato

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