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Nozzi: You need to read more about your prophet's actions

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 30, 2009 at 09:41

Nozzi, you wrote:

>>If you have browsed through the life of Prophet Muhammad in history, you should have discovered that he spent 3 years in preaching to his wife, cousin, friend and servant for their conversions to muslims….. He also did not perform vandalism, riots and/or etc. to cause the destruction of the surrounding buildings. He even did not slaughter pagans even during the first three years of mission. ………<<

How could Muhammad his wife, cousin, friend and servant start killing the pagans when they were so small in number? He along with his four followers did not perform vandalism or riot because they would have been thrashed by the thousands of pagans who were against him. Muhammad was so weak in Mecca that he sent some of his poorer followers to Abyssiniya. Nozzi is it so difficult to understand that Muhammad was in no position to start killing pagans in Mecca because he had very few followers. You keep talking about a three year period when Muhammad did not riot or vandalise in Mecca. Are you not admitting that after those three years he became a nuisance for the Meccans with his abuse of their idols and threats to bring slaughter?

And the moment he had an armed following in Medina Muhammad started his career of raids to vandalise caravans and killing of opponents.

>>As he actively involved in the sharing of the message of Allah during the refirst three years after receiving revelation from an angel about Allah, it implies that Allah's mission to him is to actively involve in preaching to non-muslims.<<

So after the three years and having only four converts in his kitty he started violent preaching and threats of punishment by Allah.

>>As he spent three years such a long period so as to reach his wife, a few of his friends and associates, it implies he preached to them and was patiently waiting for the repentance of these people.<<

After three years of private preaching did he run out of patience and begin violence? The truth is Muhammad's peaceful preaching for three years brought him only a handful of followers. This must have been frustrating for someone who claimed to be a messenger of Allah.

>>From the history, we know that Prophet Muhammad only fought against the pagans when the pagans became to have hostility with him for persecution<<

Give us some references to who was responsible for violence. Remember your prophet started abusing and cursing the gods of the Meccans. He also preached in Mecca for more than ten years and the Meccans did nothing to him. You seem to have no idea that Muhammad started his Medianan career by raiding caravans and killing their escorts. The Meccans did not raid caravans.

>>I do not consider Prophet Muhammad is cruel. Instead, I consider him as merciful.<<

Ask your Islamic teacher what he did to a mother of six, Asma Bint Marwan. Ask him to comment on this report about the cruelty of Muhammad:

Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume II part 1 & 2 pages 30-31.

SARIYYAH OF 'UMAYR IBN 'ADI

Then (occurred) the sariyyah of 'Umayr ibn 'Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against 'Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. 'Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him 'Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).

This report by a Muslim historian shows up the heartless character of Muhammad.

>>This is due to he did not immediately start to kill pagans immediately after receiving the revelation about Allah. Instead, he was willing to preach to pagans for the first three years of his missions.<<

Nozzi, you keep saying that Muhammad did not IMMEDIATELY start his career of killing. When did he start killing pagans?

>>The first convert was his wife and later on, friends and associates. If he was cruel to the pagans, he should have started to kill the pagans after receiving the revelation of Allah.<<

Muhammad was a prudent man. If he had started murdering the pagans around him with such a few followers he would not have been left alive himself.

>>If he is cruel, there would not be any possibilities of the conversion of his friends and associates since he would have slaughtered them one by one after receiving the message from Allah.<<

Muhammad was cruel but he was not an idiot to take on the pagans with four or five followers. But as soon as he reached Medina he got Allah to send him verses giving permission to fight.

>>The fighting with non-muslims only commenced when the mecan stirred up problem to him that was followed by persecution.<<

Why don't you give the references where it is said that non-Muslims started the fighting. Nozzi, you have not read the biography of the prophet or you would not make this claim.

>>His fighting was in defensive role since he fought as a result of the perseuction from pagans.<

The disgusted Meccans only PROTESTED when Muhammad started abusing their religion as reported by his first biographer, Ibn Ishaaq (Page 118-119 of Guillaume's translation of The Life of Muhammad, published by Oxford University press, Pakistan) "When the apostle openly displayed Islam as God ordered him his people did not withdraw or turn against him, so far as I have heard, until he spoke disparagingly of their gods. When he did that they took great offence and resolved to treat him as an enemy…."

"…They said 'O Abu Talib, your nephew has cursed our gods, insulted our religion, mocked our way of life…..'"

This proves that the pagan Meccans were a very tolerant lot. If anybody mocks Allah in Muslim Mecca today he would be decapitated in the blink of an eye.

>>The above explanations show that Prophet Muhammad indeed is a good person and he is merciful in the sense that he did not want pagans to perish during the Last Judgment Day and he spent time to share the message of Allah to the pagans.<<

Ibn Ishaq's report shows the Meccans to be a merciful people and the Prophet an abuser of other religions and beliefs.

Regards

Plato

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