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Allah rewards only the good deeds, which include killing of unbelievers, of Muslims. Non-Muslims end up in hell however good

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in response to reader comment: QURAN 53:31 DISCOURAGES MUSLIMS TO BE VIOLENCE, VANDALISM, RIOTS AND ETC.-PROVEN

Submitted by Ploat (India), May 31, 2009 at 05:11

Nozzi, you write,

>>We, moderate muslims, uphold the truth that Holy Quran never teaches violence, vandalism, riots and etc.<<

What does 9:5, 9:29, 9:111 and 8:67 teach Nozzi? You have to use a fine tooth comb to find tolerant verses and some convoluted logic to prove to yourself and your readers that these verses are meaningless.

The reason of the existence of riots, vandalism, violence and etc. from muslims is merely the abusing of Holy Quran by some muslims for public destruction.

>>Quran 53:31, "And to Allah belongs all that is in he heavens and all that is in the earth, that He may requite those who do evil with that whcih they have done, (ie. punish them in hell), and reward those who do good, with what is best (ie. paradise)". The word, all that is in the earth, in Quran 53;31 has spelt out the fact that the people here that Allah has referred to, are muslims as well as non-muslims.<<

You are a confused Muslim, Nozzi, or you have not read and understood the Koran. Read these verses and tell me if non-Muslims are not the worst kind of criminals in the eyes of Allah:

004.116 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).

004.048 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed

The underlined sentence punctures your claim that Allah includes non-Muslims in 53:31.

>>The word, all, in Quran 53;31 implies that all muslims have to comply with the command as listed in Quran 53:31. The phrase, He may requite those who do evil with that which they have done (ie. punish them in hell, in Quran 53:31 has been listed so as to warn those muslims that do evil will have their end in hell. The phrase, reward those who do good, with what is best (ie. paradise), in Quran 53:31 implies that only those muslims that do good will have a place in paradise.<<

In 4:16 Allah says '…Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this…"

This is Allah's hint to extremists that they will be forgiven their dastardly deeds as long as they believe in the Oneness of Allah.

>>As Allah is fair to his execution of judgment upon all the people in this earth, you, Plato, should not comment that Allah were bad and only cited muslims no matter what they do whether violence, vandalism, riots and etc.<<

This is a joke. You claimed above that Allah says again and again that anyone one worshipping any other deity will be punished with terrible torture however sinless he is otherwise. That is why Buddha, Mother Teresa, and Gandhi will all be burning if in hell if Allah exists. Verses 4:16 and 4:48 make very clear that non-Muslims have no hope of reaching Allah's paradise whereas the worst of Muslim sinners can live in hope.

>>Quran 40:52, "The Day when their excuses will be of no profit to zalimum (polytheists, wrong doers and disbeleivers in the Oneness of Allah) Their will be the curse and their will be the evil abode (ie. painful torment in hell-fire".<<

This verse only emphasizes what I have said about there being no hope for non-Muslims. Nozzi, why do you dishonestly claim that non-Muslims also can hope for paradise? Have you emphasized only 'wrong doers' in the verse and not 'polytheists' and 'disbelievers in the oneness of Allah' to make us believe that polytheism will be overlooked by Allah?

>> The word, wrong doers, in Quran 40:52 implies those disobedient and/or trouble-makers muslims. As the word, wrong doers, is mentioned in Quran 40;52 with the phrase, Their will be the evil abode (ie. painful torment in hell-fire, it implies that those disobedient and/or trouble-makers muslims will be condemned in hell-fire.<<

Allah has not spoken the word 'wrong doers' in the Koran. They are the words of the interpreter. Since 'zalimun' also includes disbelievers it clearly means that all non-Muslims are destined for hell.

>>Quran 42;22 has spelt out the fact that only those muslims that believe in Allah and do righteous deeds instead of doing evil by vandalism, riots, violence and etc., will be saved ont he Last Judgment Day. The following is the extract:

Quran 42:22, "You will see (on the Day of Resurrection), the zalimum (polytheists and wrong doers) fearful of that which they have earned, and it (Allah's Torment) will surely befall them. But those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah-Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous deeds (will be in the flowering meadows of the Garden (Paradise). They shall have whatsoever they desire with their Lord. That is the supreme Grame, (Paradise)".<<

Read the verse again. What it has spelt out is that those who believe in the oneness of Allah AND do righteous deeds will be in paradise. Allah has not spelt out what the righteous deeds are. But if you read 9:111, 9:5 and 9:29 you will realize that righteous deed also mean killing people for not believing in the oneness of Allah.

>> As the word, wrong doers, is mentioned in Quran 42:22 with the phrase, Allah's Torment, it implies that those muslim wrong doers will be tormented on the last judgment day.<<

To understand what the Koran really means by 'wrong-doers' you must read the previous verse:

042.021 YUSUFALI: What! have they partners (in godhead), who have established for them some religion without the permission of Allah? Had it not been for the Decree of Judgment, the matter would have been decided between them (at once). But verily the Wrong-doers will have a grievous Penalty.

The wrong-doers Allah is talking about in 4:22 are those who set up partners with Him as 4;21 makes clear. And conveniently, for Allah's (i.e. tMuhammad's) credibility the matter is left till Judgment Day otherwise people will question Allah's power. Fortunately for Allah He claims to have decreed beforehand that Judgment will have to wait for Judgment Day.

>>As the phrase, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah...) and do righteous deeds, is mentioned in Quran 42;22 with the phrase, Paradise, it implies that only those that believe in Allah and do righteous deeds are granted with Paradise.<<

By your own interpretation this rules out non-Muslims ever reaching paradise. And those who do not reach paradise reach hell. Therefore all non-Muslims are destined for hell. Yet you claimed above that "the people (53:31) here that Allah has referred to, are muslims as well as non-muslims."

>> Do those muslims and do evil deeds have the chance to Paradise? Nothing is mentioned that those believe in the Oneness of Allah and do not do righteous deeds will be in Paradise except those that believe and do rigtheous will be in Paradise.<<

Allah mentions clearly in 4:116 and 4:48 that He may forgive all other sins except not believing in His Oneness. These verses rule out any non-Muslim however good he/she is from paradise whereas Muslims however sinful they are have the possibility of being forgiven.

>>Quran 8:57, "(mention that) And as for those believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their rewards in full. And Allah does not like the zalimum (polytheists and wrong doers)". As the phrase, rewards in full, is mentioned in Quran 8:57 with the phrase, those believe..and do righteous good deeds, it implies that Allah will grant rewards to muslims that do righteous good deeds instead of evil deeds.>>

Then tell us Nozzi, what happens to the good deeds of non-Muslims?

Regards

Plato

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