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THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE CORRECT SINCE MUSLIMS COULD ASSOCIATE MUSLIMS

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in response to reader comment: Nozzi: The Koran does not condemn taking booty or keeping slave girls as bad conduct.

Submitted by Mohamad Nozzi (Singapore), May 18, 2009 at 12:59

Quran 24:3, "The adulterer-fornicator marries not but an adulteress-fornicatress or a Mushrikah, and the adulteress-fornicatress none marries her EXCEPT an adulterer-fornicator or a Muskrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer-fornicator, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater). And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer-fornicator, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islamic Monotheism). " These verses have warned us, muslims, not to associate with non-muslims, the unclean pagans. These proves that your source might not be reliable. Only you, Indian, with black skin that has Intellectual Quotient that is lower than 20 believes this lie since your extract is entirely different from the teaching from Quran 24:3. Could you prove to me this is a fact. Or could you prove to me whether this slave is not a muslim? Or could you prove to me whether she was not Muhammad's wife? Or could you prove to me that this is not a lie from non-muslims in the history of the past that created this rumour so as to spoil the image of Muhammad? Only you with low IQ would believe it.

The following is your extract:

Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 11, 2009 at 06:08

Nozzi you wrote:

>>Many Muslim extremist had abused the Holy Quran. They thought they are smart to stir up holy war through their abusing of holy war. They are indeed fool to themselves since Quran 2:44, "Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To prac tise it) yourselves, and yet ye study".<<

Has the Koran defined this right conduct? Is taking booty in the form slaves and slave girls right conduct (8:69). Is beating your wife if you suspect she will be disloyal count as right conduct. Does fighting the people of the book until they submit and humble themselves right conduct (9:29)

>> Quran 2:81, "...those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins, - they are companion of fire". Quran 2:112, "...whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good, - He will get his reward".<<

This verse is speaking about the Jews, who Allah claims has done evil by writing the revelation themselves. This is coming from the mouth of an illiterate man who himself cannot provide any proof that Allah is speaking to him via Gabriel. When asked for proof he never gives any except to say the Koran is the proof.

This is typical of the Koran(i.e Muhammad's) talking in circles. Unless you accept, without any proof that Allah is communicating with Muhammad any person with a modicum of intelligence will say that Muhammad was making up the Koran. And he made it up as he went along to suit his own purposes as revealed in Allah wasting many verses to deal with his family and sex life:

033.050 YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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