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Nozzi: If the Koran teaches Muslims never to begin a fight then Muhammad was the first person to disobey it

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 24, 2009 at 21:47

Nozzi you write,

>>We, moderate Muslims, interpret the Holy Quran and we have found that the Holy Quran is never to be violent especiallly the Holy Quran mentions that . We only fight when non-Muslims begin to fight with us. We try to reach out to non-Muslims so that many non-Muslims could repent.<<

If the Koran teaches Muslims never to begin a fight then Muhammad was the first person to disobey it. He began life in Medina by sending out raiding parties to loot inoffensive caravans moving several days camel ride away. His first successful caravan raid during a prohibited month at Nakhal resulted in one death and lots loots of booty and prisoner who was ransomed for a handsome price.

>>However, Muslim extremists have mis-interpreted the Holy Quran. They see the word, fight, in the Holy Quran and they fight.<<

Read these verses:

002.216 YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

009.038 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.

What are the good Muslims supposed to do when they read these three verses? Stay back and bring down the wrath of Allah on their heads?

>>They anyhow accuse our right conduct even though we fully comply with the words that are mentioned in the Holy Quran.<<

Have you fully complied with the three verses I have quoted above?

>> We, moderate Muslims, have found that they have abuse the Holy Quran for holy war.<<

Read the three verses I have quoted and show us that Muslims who follow them are disobeying Allah.

>>Muslims extremists say that they only fight with non-Muslims and yet they attack us in words even though we find that our interpretation of the Holy Quran from our point of view is never wrong.<<

Show that the three verses are not correctly interpreted by the extremists.

>>Plato has abused the name of Allah to replace his name, Plato has been found to disgrace Allah and depise him.<<

Is disgracing Allah as simple as renaming Him Plato? LOL. As to despising Allah when you read 8:67 what thoughts come to mind?

PICKTHAL: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

>>I personally find that Plato is worse than bararian and is too obstainate to change his mind to the right inerpretation of the Holy Quran.<<

I don' feel insulted being called a barbarian for I am in good company, in fact in very exalted company:

004.056 YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

005.033 YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, …

014.017 YUSUFALI: In gulps will he sip it, but never will he be near swallowing it down his throat: death will come to him from every quarter, yet will he not die

Do these verses show Allah to be a civilized being??

>>Shame is your conduct. Remember, ALLAH IS THE MOST MERCIFUL.<<

What is really shameful is following a blood thirsty god and then accuse those who object to such a deity of bad conduct.

Regards

Plato

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