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Submitted by Nura (United States), Feb 13, 2009 at 17:39

Sure, you get to cast a bigger net - but it actually damages your point. 'Europeans' encompasses former empires as diverse as the English, Spanish, French, Swedish, German , Russian and even Ukrainian. It's all about numbers right when we are talking about 9/11, but surely not the murder of over a millions of people in the war of terror? Why can't I clump all Euro-Caucasians together when Muslims are clumped all together? There are more diverse peoples in Islam than in Europe. Or perhaps your arguments are isolated to Muslim-Arab expansions which would really damage YOU'R arguments and thus becomes a racial issue after all! Let's not be hypocritical. By not doing so you do not highlight the point that much of this theft and robbery was going on between European powers. No, by not doing so, I am not writing a long drawn out response to European expansions, conquests, massacres,ect. I don't have time for that.

You can pick up a history book and read all about it. Europeans fought for the right to occupy other lands! Was not the French and Spanish in conflict over who colonized Morocco? Are you saying that most European theft was among each other? Surely you can't mean that. Perhaps before they found out about the "New World." Anyway, I guess your point is that they were savages before they savaged the rest of the world. There you go again - mixing up race and religion to prove a spurious point. Seeing Shinto Buddhism is the state religion of Japan - should we therefore say that WW2 was started by Buddhists when they attacked Pearl Harbour??? That is an enlightening question! Why don't you apply that wise thinking to the world of Islam? For example, why are all Muslim "terrorists" called Islamic terrorists? According to your argument, Algerian Terrorists should be called "Algerian Terrorists," Pakistani terrorists should be called "Pakistani terrorists".

We both know that's not how it works. Any Muslim who does anything, despite nationality is called an Islamic Terrorist, so it is not me who invented this racial/ religious grouping. Muslims are grouped as one people despite nationality. Your suggestion: "I will ask, what nation on EARTH has not been at one point of time or another colonized and brutalized by other people or nations,?" You are a bit off topic. We are taking about the perceived threat of Islam to the free world. If the issue was as simple as your suggested question, then why is Islam or the people of Islam demonized as an unprecedented evil in the world? The whole of North Africa, many parts of sub-Sharan Africa including Nigeria, Spain, Turkey, Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Greece,Persia, India (Pakistan & Bangladesh), parts of Ethiopia, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Armenia ... etc etc And today we find new areaqs of conflict in southern Thailand, western Cambodia, the Philipines. Yes, Muslims are squeaky clean Your are funny. You so kindly listed every nation that you argue was conquered by "Islam", do you see how hypocritical you are? Why not mention the nation who actually did the conquering? It is simple, when Muslims expand, Islam expands, however, when any other people of religion expands it is only that nation who get's the credit.

Secondly, this list is shorter than I thought it would be. Lastly, all of these nations did not suffer forced colonization. Just because a nation has Muslims in it does not mean it is because of military expansion. Muslims in Ethiopia, which is now divided with Somalia, was introduced by refugees from Mecca. Where is the military operation? You ignore the expansion of religious indoctrination. You left out Germany in that group - and either intentionally or because you did not know - did not mention the keen support given by Muslims to the Axis powers in all the Muslim countries that they sent troops to. The reason being, you guessed it - Nazi germany's clearly defined intwentions towards the Jews. First, what Muslim land did Germany occupy? I was speaking of invasion and occupation not allied forces. Second, Muslim lands were being occupied during these wars by the allied forces! Who do you expect Muslims to align themselves with, their invaders?

You speak of the possible fate of Muslims under Germany, but let's examine what happed to them due to the allied forces: The Kaliphate was destroyed, which at that time was not engaged in military conflict with ANYONE. All of the lands were divided among the allied forces, this included a reign of tyranny and destruction at which these nations never experienced. The completion of the crusades, as boasted by a British colonial. A French Colonial actually visited the grave and put his foot on it saying "Saladin, we have returned." An era of puppet, corrupt dictators installed and supported by these countries, namely the British. The murder and displacement of the people of Palestine of which to this day have not been resolved. I could go on, and on, so I doubt if Muslims care about the possible outcome under Hitler. They would still have Palestine in my estimation. Surely, Israel would not exist. Only Allah knows the outcome.

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