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Nozzi: I quoted Koran 8:67. What is the good in it that I turned into bad?

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 29, 2009 at 07:34

Nozzi, you write:

>>You are good in giving argumentative comments. Those things that are good can turn to be bad by your arguments.<<

Nozzi, you are good at making baseless accusations. Demonstrate to me how I have done what you accuse me of. I quoted Koran 8:67. What is the good in it that I turned into bad?

>>You have mentioned that we are bad since we, moderate muslims, fight back when non-muslims start their fighting against them.<<

My dear Nozzi, refer me to even one post of mine where I have said any such thing. I HOPE YOU WILL NOT AVOID ANSWERING THIS. Again this is the standard Muslim practice of accusing the opponent of the crime they themselves commit. Muslims accuse the Meccans of being the aggressors when history shows that almost all the violence came from the Muslims. Even peaceful caravans passing hundreds of miles away are considered to have aggressive intentions and were attacked and looted. What do you have to say about this practice of caravan looting by Muhammad?

>>I ask you a simple question and that is when people start to fight with you, do you keep silence and let them beat you up or you fight back?<<

I also asked you a simple question about your prophet attacking peaceful caravans passing hundreds of kilometers from where he was. Were the Meccans justified in sending their army to protect their lifeline and teach the Prophet a lesson?

>>Don't tell me you are so good that let other people keep on beating you and you do not defend yourselves.<<

I am not that "good". But the Buddhists were that good and so were eliminated from places like Afghanistan and several places in India by Muslims who attacked without any provocation. This is what happens when you are as "good" as the Buddhists.

>>The same logic is for moderate muslims. We, moderate muslims, fight when non-muslims start their fightings first.<<

Do you consider Prophet Muhammad a moderate Muslim for his raiding and looting of caravans and neighbouring tribes? If you don't, then you deserve the title of the world's most tolerant Muslim.

>>If non-muslims don't start their fightings with us, we will not fight with them.<<

Are the non-Muslims justified in fighting back if Muslims (extreme or moderate) start fighting them. Remember the non-Muslim Meccans started fighting only because Muhammad wanted to capture their caravan at Badr.

Regards Plato

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