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Nozzi: More on why you should hide Koran 8:67

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Submitted by Plato (India), May 14, 2009 at 03:22

Nozzi you wrote

>>You have mentioned that we, moderate muslims, should hide Quran 8:67 from non-muslims when preaching to them. The following is the extract for my explanation:

Quran 8:67, "It is not for a prophet that he should take captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) and the Hereafter, and Allah is mighty, wise".

>>As the word, prophet, is mentioned in Quran 8:67 instead of all the muslims, it implies that this verse should be meant for the instruction for Prophet Muhammad instead of all of us.<<

Nozzi, are you so far gone that you cannot see that this verse is a merciless instruction from someone you call the most merciful. How can a merciful god tell his Apostle to massacre helpless prisoners or war? Why are you skirting around the real issue?

>>As it is meant for Prophet Muhammad, it certainly refers to the time when Prophet Muhammad was confronting with the continuous persecutions from Meccans.<<

What has time got to do with it? Allah is instructing the prophet that he should slaughter helpless prisoners of war.

>> Prophet Muhammad did fight back after Meccans had started their persecutions with them.<<

I have shown you in many posts that the Muslims were responsible for provoking the Meccans with their insulting behaviour. You never have anything to say about this crude behaviour of your prophet.

>>As the word, prophet, is mentioned in Quran 8:67, it is irrational to use this verse to support violence currently since the whole sentence should be meant solely for Prophet Muhammad instead of for all muslim people.<<

Yes it is meant solely for the prophet. The prophet acted on this advice by your so-called merciful Allah and he did slaughter prisoners of war. Like he did with the Banu Quraiza. Muslims have to follow the example set by the prophet. That is why you find Muslims when they capture prisoners often execute them like the prophet did with the Banu Quraiza.

If you read carefully the sentence in Quran 8:67 carefully, you would have discovered that it is the message for Allah instead of the command to do it for Muhammad.

The phrase, Allah (desireth) for you and hereafter, in Quran 8:67 implies Allah's preference upon the Last Judgmentl Day instead of the current situation. The word, hereafter, in Quran 8:67 has spelt out Allah's preference of the future hopes that all muslims are waiting for and that is the Last Judgment Day.

Quran 8:67, "It is not for a prophet that he should take captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) and the Hereafter, and Allah is mighty, wise".

>>If you read carefully the sentence in Quran 8:67 carefully, you would have discovered that it is the message for Allah instead of the command to do it for Muhammad.

The phrase, Allah (desireth) for you and hereafter, in Quran 8:67 implies Allah's preference upon the Last Judgmentl Day instead of the current situation. The word, hereafter, in Quran 8:67 has spelt out Allah's preference of the future hopes that all muslims are waiting for and that is the Last Judgment Day.<<

Nozzi, are you an Arab or a scholar of the Arabic language? If you were either you would not give such a confusing account of 8:67. Let me quote for you from one of the most respected Muslim scholars, Ibn Kathir on 8:67:

The Grand exegesis of the Holy Koran, vol II Dar ul Koob al Ilmiya, Beirut, page 711:…It is well established among religious scholars that the ruler has the freedom to choose how to deal with the captives: he might kill them if he so likes, the same as the Messenger of Allah 'PBUH' did with those of Quraiza, and he could ransom them….

Regards

Plato

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