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Nozzi: Unbelievers all contend against Allah which is why Muslims use 9:111 to kill them

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 20, 2009 at 09:03

Nozzi you write:

>>As the phrase, This because they contend against Allah, is mentione din Quran 8:13, it implies that non-Muslims commence their plans against Allah.<

Nozzi have you wondered how anyone can contend against the all-powerful Allah. How can Allah make such a statement? (This verse is an indication that the Koran is really Muhammad speaking and urging his followers to violence under cover of Allah).

>>As they contend against Allah, they do not respect Allah and commence their evil works against him and that is why Quran 8:12 has to follow.<<

All unbelievers of all times, including now, because of their disbelief contend against Allah. For you this is evil works against Allah and so 8:12. This is also the belief of the your so-called extremist Muslim (they also believe that Allah is powerless which is why they kill on His behalf).

>>As they are the one that first commence their fights against Allah, they are our enemies that we have to fight against them.<<

Why don't you elaborate on how unbelievers commence their fight against Allah. Unbelievers could not care less about Allah and His existence, so why should they fight this phantom? My saying that I could not care less about Allah is in fact what is likely to be what you mean by "commence fight against Allah."

>>However, Muslim extremists most of the time commence their fights against them even though they do not fight first and the way they act is certainly against what is laid out in the Holy Quran.<<

You have obviously not read what the prophet did when he had some armed men under him. He was the one who started raiding, robbing and killing people who were no where near his hideout in Medina.

>>Remember Allah is the Most Merciful and he certainly wants many non-Muslims to become Muslims and that is why we must show good examples to them that Muslims are good.;<<

If Allah wants non-Muslims to become Muslims why did He not create them as Muslims in the first place. You are only telling us that Allah does not have the powers He claims for Himself.

>>On the other hand, we have to convince non-Muslims about the goodness of Allah so that they could repent their way to become Muslims<<

How can you and why should you? The Koran, Allah's word is not able to convince unbelievers. Also Allah tells Muslims that He has chosen to misguide the disbelievers:

032.013 YUSUFALI: If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."

010.099 YUSUFALI: If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!

After reading what I have underlined would you care to go on doing dawa and demonstrating the good behaviour of Muslims and the goodness of Allah? The mullahs who taught you were being dishonest when they told you that dawa is an important duty of all Muslims.

Regards

Plato

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