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Nozzi: It is not the Koran which is abused but the Koran which abuses kaffirs and their sacred values

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Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 11, 2009 at 05:52

Nozzi you wrote:

>>Quran 2:191,. "Fight in the cause of Allah who fight you".

The phrase, who fight you, in Quran 2:191 has pointed out to us a significant lesson from Allah that we would only fight when somebody has fought with us. Or in other words, if nobody stirs up our spirit to fight, we would not fight.<<

2:191 is a disingenuous verse. You have interpreted it to mean to fight only those who have fought Muslims. But that is not what 9:29 is telling you. It is a command from Allah to fight unbelievers, even people of the book.

A Muslim's spirit to fight is stirred by verses like 9:111, 9:29.

>>Such a teaching is acceptable in this world since the fighting would turn up to be a defensive work. Or in other words, it is not rational for a Muslim to stand still and let somebody to hit him. Instead, if the Muslim has confronted with danger that somebody has started his fight with him, then he fights.<<

That is not what 9:29 is saying. The verse is a command to fight unbelievers until they submit with humbly. Where does it say they have to commence the fight. Nor is 9:38 telling you to hold back till you are attacked. In fact 9:33 tells Muhammad to proclaim it over all religion if it is detested by the pagans.

Meditate carefully the phrase, Fight in the cause of Allah (those) who fight you, in Quran 2:191 and you would know the truth of it.

From the analysis of the above verse, it is obvious that the verse does not support Muslims extremist in the sense that they fight for the sake of fighting. Those people, such as, non-Muslims or their Muslims' enemies, did not fight with them and yet they are the first to trigger off their fighting with them.

>>We, Muslims, only fight when somebody starts to fight with us.<<

WRONG! 9:29 commands you to fight the unbelievers and 9:111 guarantees you paradise no matter whether you are killed or kill.

>> If they do not start to fight with us, we must not stir up their spirit to fight. Or in other words, our fighting should be in defensive way instead of aggressive as a barbarian.<<

Explain to us how 9:29 and 9:111 does not stir up the spirit of Muslims to fight and kill or be killed.

>>From the above explanations, I simply conclude that Muslim extremists, that stir up violence, riots, and etc. against non-Muslims, act against what are laid down in the Holy Quran for all Muslims to act righteously.<<

You conclusion is completely wrong. The Muslims who stir up death and destruction are just following their master's instructions. They are acting exactly as set down in the Koran. I have shown you this is correct in the many verses I quoted. Below is an interesting artilc I found on the net:

"….This is the Muslim Brotherhood's motto 'Death for the sake of Allah is our highest aspiration,'

"What can we expect of a youth who encounters [the following] idea, [which appears] in a book frequently discussed by the Muslim Brotherhood: 'Today we live in a jahiliya [the pre-Islamic era of idol worship], akin to idol worship in [Muhammad's] time and worse. We are surrounded by idol worship. Human achievement and beliefs, people's traditions and customs, their traditional sources, their arts and literature, their laws and regulations, and even most of what we regard as aspects of the Islamic culture, Islamic authorities, and Islamic thought and philosophy - all these are products of idol worship."

"This is a simple passage from the book Milestones by Sayyed Qutb. This book has been translated into all the languages of the Islamic countries: Turkish, Persian, Urdu, Malaysian, Indonesian, and others, as have hundreds of other Muslim Brotherhood books. These books are brainwashing thousands of youths in the Muslim world, and drawing [many of them] towards extremist terrorist organizations. …."

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD230909

Regards

Plato

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