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Nozzi: Islam seems to have driven all human feelings out of you

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Submitted by Plato (India), May 4, 2009 at 07:31

Nozzi you write (quoting from the Tabaqat):

>>Then (occurred) the sariyyah ……. 'Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling…….. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. ,…..Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. …..

Nozzi, Islam has driven all human feelings out you. The person whom you call the mercy to all mankind demonstrates a vicious mind in having someone killed for being critical of Islam and heartlessly dismisses the crime as not worth a thought. Why do you consider yourself a moderate Muslim. You have a twisted understanding of the word 'moderate'.

>>The above statement mentions clearly that the only reason why Prophet Muhammad slaughtered that woman was she used to revile Islam; offended the prophet; and instigated the people against him.<<

The man who murdred Asma was blind in the eyes but you demonstrate blindness of the intellect with what you are saying. Can't you realize that what the Prophet was doing with his preaching was exactly what you accuse Asma bint Marwan of. He was reviling the pagan religion, he offended all the Meccan worshippers of idols and instigated his followers against the pagans. It is amazing how Islam simply wipes out simple logic from its followers.

>>As this woman was cruel and did not respect our people and she was the first that stirred up trouble to direct the people to fight against him, she was unpardonable and that was why Prophet Muhammad made the right move to slaughter her.<<

The poetess only wrote poems that only Muslims consider cruel. But the prophet did many cruel things in his life. Including Asma he had many others assassinated on the same charges, he committed a min-genocide against the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraiza, he tortured and killed Kinana bin Rafi of the Banu Nadir for the sake of money.

The same charges (and more) you lay against Asma can be laid on Muhammad. He stirred up trouble among the Meccans to direct them to fight against people who did not follow him. The Meccans showed greater mercy than the prophet in tolerating his abuses for ten years. The prophet slaughtered his opponents the first opportunity that arose.

>>Please kindly bear in mind that this woman was the first to direct the minds of her surrounding people to fight against him and our religion, muslim, and that caused him to slaughter her then.<<

Nozzi, also bear in mind that this man, Muhammad, was the first to direct the minds of his followers to fight against the pagans and their religion and that caused them to be only angry with him. By your argument above, the Meccans had every right to slaughter Muhammad and his followers. BUT THE MERCIFUL MECCANS DID NOT SLAUGHTER MUHAMMAD AS THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BY YOUR LOGIC.

>>Unless the woman was not the first that stirred up the spirits among her surrounding people to fight against him and yet Prophet Muhammad slaughtered her without reason, it is then rational to support that Prophet Muhammad was cruel.

As the woman was the first that sitrred up the spirits among her surrounding people to fight against him, his act in slaughtering that woman is a righteous move since he was trying to protect our religion, muslim.<<

Read what I have written above. The prophet's behaviour towards the pagan religion was worse that a few lines of poem written by Asma.

>>For instance, if Prophet Muhammad did not slaughter that woman, she would influence more and more non-muslims to slaughter Muslims and that would cause ultimate risks to the muslims since many muslims would perish in her hands.<<

Unfortunately for the Meccans they were not inclined to slaughter Muhammad for abusing and cursing their religion. The poor Meccans did not realize the mortal danger Muhammad was to them and thousands perished at Muhammad's hands.

>>Not only that, her act to slaughter that woman does not act against the principality of the Holy Quran and that is, we fight back only when non-muslims start their actions to fight against us.<<

Unfortunately for the Meccans slaughtering for preaching was against their merciful nature as against the cruel principles of the Koran which demands everyone believe in Muhammad under pain of eternal torture.

>>I purposely extracts the sentence from above statements in bold below for the explanation that Prophet Muhammad was indeed merciful:

Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back.<<

Nozzi, you do have a lovely sense of the macabre!

>>Prior to Prophet Muhammad in slaughtering of that woman, there were a few children sleeping with her. As he was blind, he searched that woman with his hand and he seaprated the children from her and slaughtered that woman. For instance, if Prophet Muhammad was cruel, he would simply slaughter the children since they were not muslim converts. If Prophet Muhammad was not merciful, he would not spare the lives of children and he simply slaughtered them.<<

What a great Islamic idea. You slaughter a mother of six while suckling her baby for a few lines of verse. You spare the children sleeping around her. Wonderful indeed is Islamic mercy. Muslims must surely be congratulated on their wonderful religion.

>>If Prophet Muhammad was not merciful, there would not be any future hopes for these children that they might become muslims in the future since Prophet Muhammad would simply slaughter all the children without giving any grace or mercy. As Prophet Muhammad separated the children from that woman prior to his action in slaughtering that woman, it implies that Prophet Muhammad was kind enough that he did not want to see the pagans' children to perish. As Prophet Muhammad separated the children from that woman prior to his action in slaughtering that woman, the children would not accidentally be slaughtered by him when his intention was only for that woman only.<<

You have lost the script here. The prophet was not overseeing the murder of Asma, the assassin he had dispatched to do the dastardly deed was alone. There is no indication anywhere that the prophet showed off his merciful nature by instructing his murderous companion to not hurt Asma's children.

>>From the above explanation, Prophet Muhammad indeed was merciful and he was not cruel as what muslim extremists think.

The act of abusing the Holy Quran and the bad comment that Prophet Muhammad was cruel and not merciful certainly contradicts the teaching of the Holy Quran and the image of Prophet Muhammad, that should not be pardonable.<<

Nozzi, you are as extremist as the Muslims you criticize. The image of the prophet that comes through from what he had done to Asma is is that of a cruel vindictive individual far from the merciful person Muslims portray him to be. To keep referring to him as a perfect example to follow is laughable.

Regards

Plato

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