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Nozzi: As the Koran asks "Will ye, Nozzi, not then understand?"

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in response to reader comment: THE WORD, SUICIDE BOMBING, IS NOT MENTIONED IN YOUR LISTING & SO, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED

Submitted by Plato (India), May 31, 2009 at 11:14

Nozzi you write,

>>Quran 14:3 has been mentioned in your comment to support suicide bombing and let's read the verse carefully:

Quran 14:3, "Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter, who hinder (men) from the path of Allah and such therein something crooked, they are astray by a long distance." There is no such word, suicide bomb is mentioned in this verse to support your comment.<<

Suicide bombers take the first part of the verse to heart. It clearly indicates that one must love the Hereafter more than the present life. Will this not encourage suicide as an end to this life in Allah's way (jihad) will result in paradise? Butv taken as whole the verse seems to be meant only for non-Muslims. Suicidal Muslims get confirmation that this life is worthless from another verse: 006.032 YUSUFALI: What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand?

As the verse asks, 'Will ye, Nozzi, not then understand?

>> However, let's examine the verse carefully. The word, Those, in Quran 14:3 does not mention specificfally that it is for muslims and so, it should include muslims and non-muslims as well.<<

Nozzi, on the one hand you chop up a verse to suit your purpose like you do repeatedly with Quran 5:32, "...if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind..."

I have quoted the full verse elsewhere for you which says at the start: 'Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that….'

In this verse Allah clearly excluded Muslims from his proclamation. This is sheer dishonesty. But on the other hand you state that because 14:3 does not mention Muslims specifically it should include non-Muslims. If you read the verse with an open mind you will realize it is talking only of non-Muslims as who non-Muslims will anyone from the path of Allah? And who but non-Muslims will find something crooked in the Koran?

>>The phrase, Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter, in Quran 14;3 discourages all muslims as well as non-muslims to love or to appreciate or to enjoy the lives while we are on this earth.<<

You got it right, Nozzi. Do you need any other verse to encourage suicde?

>>The phrase, hinder (men) from the path of Allah, in Quran 14:3 could be interpreted as to cause stumblingblock of non-muslims not to become muslims or to direct the wrong path or wrong intention or wrong interpretation of the Quran so as to mislead non-muslims not to become muslims.<<

The biggest stumbling block that hinder Muslims from the path of Islam is the Koran. The Koran is full of hate and abuse for those who do not believe in it. Worshipping a harmless idol is considered a great crime and punished with eternal hell. How can any sane non-Muslims accept such a god?

>> From the above analyses, Quran 14:3 does not seem to support suicide bombing instead, Allah urges all muslims not to hinder non-muslims to become stumblingblock due to our bad conducts to them.<<

The Koran may not support suicide bombings but it surely does not discourage it either.

>> Thus, we, muslims, have to set good example or to have good conduct with non-muslims so that they would become muslims.<<

Muslims are unable to set a good example as the Koran itself has set a bad example for all time by encouraging bad conduct. It encouraged the prophet to marry his own adopted son's wife. It encourages mistreatment of women to the extent of allowing men to beat the for mere suspicion of disobedience (4:34). It does not discourage the keeping of and trading in human lives (slavery). It abuses human beings after claiming to have created them (Jews equated with pigs and monkeys, infidels called the worst of beasts etc).

>>Quran 6;32, "What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand?" Again, there is no such a phrase, suicide bombing, mentioned in Quran 6:32.<<

Nozzi, is it not easy to give up something derided as only play and amusement. It is not necessary to spell out suicide. The Koran is discouraging hanging around in this world of play and amusement. The message is clear die in Allah's cause and you can leave behind this worthless world.

Regards

Plato

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