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Nozzi: Jumping into battle discarding the dates you are enjoying is suicide.

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in response to reader comment: BUKHARI 5, 59, 377 DOES NOT SUPPORT SUICIDE BOMBING

Submitted by Plato (India), May 31, 2009 at 11:22

Nozzi you write,

>>You have extracted this verse to support suicide bombing. Let's us examine the verse carefully below:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, book 59, number 377, "Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: On the day of the battle of Uhud, a man came to the Prophet and said, 'can you tell me where I will be if I should get martyed?' The Prophet replied, 'In paradise?' The man threw away some dates he was carrying in his hand and fought till he was martyred." As the phrase, was martyred, is in passive voice, it impliels that somebody slaughtered him instead of he himself went and carried a bomb to slaughter himself. For suicide bombing is simply an act of killing oneself so as to achieve the target. However, the person as mentioned in Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 377 is different in the sense that non-muslims slaughtered him instead of he himself slaughtered himself. As he verse that you quoted here is not meant for self-destruction, this verse does not support suicide bombers.<<

Here this martyr was enjoying dates and enjoying the battle that was raging. The moment the prophet encourages him to join the fight with the promise of paradise if he is killed he does so and is killed. In my book that is surely suicide. If you jump in front of a train and get killed you have committed suicide. The train has not killed you. In the martyrs case if he had survived the enemy warriors he would have been blessed with the loot from the battle.

>>The war as mentioned in Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 377 is meant for the war between non-muslims and muslims instead of muslims fighting with themselves. However, the war that we are talking right now is entirely different from the history since it could be muslims fighting against muslims. For example, mulsim extremists caused a airplane's crash to destroy the tall building in United States of America and these caused many muslims, our brothers and sisters, to be killed during the crash. Mulsim extremists had made a serious mistake that they slaughtered our muslim people that were in the building and many muslims werlre killed by their hands.<<

This is the umpteenth time you have said what a great sin it is to kill Muslims, clearly indicating that you consider the lives of non-Muslims worthless (just as Allah his prophet and the Umar the rightly guided caliph did).

>>You might have spoken Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 377 to support your way of doing. However, you have to take note that the story that you brought out was the war between muslims and non-muslims. At the point of history, muslims had to defend from being martyred by non-muslims.<<

No my dear Nozzi. During the prophet's time it was almost the Muslims who were trying to martyr the non-Muslims. Nearly 80 times in ten years.

Regards

Plato

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