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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jun 23, 2012 at 02:56

Ianus writes: "If Arabs were just "Untermenschen", then why did he make Mohammed Amin al-Husseini - the mufti of Jeruslaem - an honorary SS Major General? Do you know any other Untermenschen being simultaneously SS Major Generals?"

You don't think that might have been merely a ploy? Had Hitler won WW2 where do you think arabs would be In the NEW pecking order?

"How do you imagine "a sense of humour" where the greatest national and religious disaster in Serbia's -and possibly Christianity's - history has been involved since the first battle of Kosovo in 1389? Incidentally, do you know any Jewish artists with "a sense of humour" creating funny monuments to depict the holocaust ?"

The statue in mind would be depicting Clinton in a less than glorious pose. And - no - I don't know any Jewish artists with "a sense of humour" creating funny monuments to depict the holocaust . But that is a red herring - as we were talking about one particular individual US president who was awarded a statue by muslims for taking their side in a war. Not the murder of 6 million Jews, gays, Slavs and gypsies by a totalitarian regime. I do know of a statue put up by Russians - not for amusement though which , being a great fan of Stalin, I'm sure you're familiar with.

>GIK: Just out of interest, have you ever met any of the descendants of the 20,000 victims found at Katyn?<

"...Yes, I have and I found them less hysterical and aggressive than some Western propagandists."

Sure, there are crazies everywhere. But I assume they had some feeling , more than the average Pole , about that situation (which as you know was originally and falsely blamed on Germans). And would you say Poland is now 'Western'?

GIK: "> US with all its bad points - which realists must accept do and will continue to exist to some extent - also does a power of good in the world.<

Ianus: "Interesting.You make a point which you would never ever do about Stalin, wouldn't you ?Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi."

Yes, I can make those points - because the USA , the country, for all its ills, has given us more than the individual Georgian tyrant Joseph Stalin.

GIK "> So rather than an endless tit for tat exchange about so many points and griping about history which cannot be changed - what are you suggesting as a workable alternative?

Ianus: "History cannot be changed"???"

I know you understand English perfectly. I would hazard a guess that you are reasonably well educated in physics. And that, as far as we know - except perhaps in some mind bogglingly curious phenomena in the quantum level - time cant' go backwards. Therefore I would say you know very well that history cannot be changed.

"How now, my lord, why do you keep alone,
Of sorriest fancies your companions making,
Using those thoughts which should indeed have died
With them they think on? Things without all remedy
Should be without regard: what's done, is done."

Ianus: "You mean the Turks can't be brought to justice and punished for their never ending aggressions and crimes against humanity ? The Albanians can't be expelled from Kosovo? The Christian churches there can't be restored ? Saudi Arabia can't be punished for its role in supporting terrorism and spreading hatred towards us kafirs?"

I'm not sure how we go from my statement i.e. 'the past is unchanging' to 'nothing has consequences' .Can you explain your reasoning?

"....the America that has replaced its today's casiono economy with Protestant work ethics which once was the cornerstone of its greatness and power, then I am afraid that before I can subtract such an America,.."

Ok, so let's assume there are 2 Americas - I think both exist side by side - one is parasitising the other. I've never been to the US - though have had the chance - have you actually been to the US? Travel does change one's attitudes and perceptions. But I would hazard a guess and say there are still a large number of intelligent, good hearted , hardworking people living in cities and small towns across that huge country.

"Estonia : 1990– 1,5 mln ; 1991 - 1,5 mln ; 2000 – 1,3 mln ; 2010 –1,3 mln"

The Russian military finally left Estonia in 1994 - so your figure most likely reflects that as well. I'm aware that many Estonians trave to Finland and other EU countries - and even to where I live - in search of work and to see how the rest of the world lives.

Thanks for those figures on the Stans - they show a rapid growth rate of an average of around 25%+ of the muslim populations in that decade . But in terms of numbers - China's existing hordes dwarf a few tens of millions. But even China, if you take away the eastern seaboard - is surprisingly empty.

Ianus:

"As to Moslems themselves in Russia I have been told that e.g. many Tajiks in Moscow firmly believe that Moscow is a city created by Allah to be possessed by Moslems"

Putin should throw more money into treating psychiatric illness. Don't they have treatment for people with severe delusions in Russia?

while Chechen and Tatar children openly defy Russian female teachers telling them "Now we are masters here.Your are our slaves!" Well, you can create a perfect chaos with a mindset like that, can't you?"

Actually - what they do is create order - a crystalisation of the attitudes of the native populations towards ignorant, arrogant and ungrateful interlopers.

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