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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jun 17, 2012 at 03:37

Ianus:

"You again take your idealistic wishes for reality, don't you ? "

Ummmm, ...... no. What 'idealism' am I guilty of now? Just because I don't dislike Americans - or Estonians for that matter - and have not said nice things about Stalin - does not mean that I'm not a realist. .

"...The midwife of your illusion seems to come from your love of theory that tends to thrive mostly in the dearth of facts. "

So far, you seem to be criticising an image you have of me in your mind rather than what I actually think .

You can't believe that the US is not your dream madonna but a despicable harlot and of the lowest sort at that ready to sell her soul and body to any rich bastard if he is able to pay the price she demands."

A nice turn of phrase - but it has no substance. I am not a flag waving American don't forget. If you criticise the USa - I'm not going to be personally offended. Every major power has its activities heavily scrutinised - some much more than others - but Yank bashing is a sport for many people.

"I am not going to remedy this particular instance of your failing vision of reality ,of course, "

Of course. Those who really do know and understand everything that is going on find it very difficult to convey their wisdom to the unknowing. Islamists have exactly the same problem.

"but I suggest , nonetheless, you take a glance at an article from 2008 which provides evidence on how our American harlot goes about doing her daily business in Central Asia and elsewhere using and being used by her Moslem lovers and pimps."

Which political leader ( now back in power oince again) was it that said that the collapse of the Soviet Union ( where all the central Asian Stan's with all their resources were proxy Russian states) was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century? Are there not still large numbers of Russians living in Kazahkstan, Tatarstan , Uzbekistan - where they actually do have far more influence on day to day life than the beknighted Americans? Commercial and trade arrangements with Russian interests set up before 1991 are still in existence - the populations use Russian, not English as the lingua franca.

"In a recent immigration court case involving Turkish Islamic Leader, Fetullah Gulen, US prosecutors exposed an illegal, covert, CIA operation involving the intentional Islamization of Central Asia. This operation has been ongoing since the fall of the Soviet Union in an ongoing Cold War to control the vast energy resources of the region - Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan - estimated to be worth $3 trillion.... Gülen's financial resources were detailed in the public prosecutor's arguments, which claimed that Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Turkish government, and the Central Intelligence Agency, or CIA, were behind the Gülen movement...The Gulen Movement founded madrassas all over the world in the 1990's, most of them in the newly independent Turkic republics of Central Asia - Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan - and Russia.

.............These madrassas appear to be used as a front for enabling CIA and State Department officials to operate undercover in the region, with many of the teachers operating under diplomatic passports..

The details you relate are not exactly hidden facts. I have no doubt that Big Oil, whatever its origins is vextremely interested in currying favour with whatever despots will listen to them in Central Asia. And of course America is going to use its influence, where it can - to do what it thinks is in its long term national interests. Just as Russia does - doesn't not wanting to rock the boat with its established customers in Syria not make perfect economic sense - however unjustified it may be ethically?

You might have been made aware of the Salafists attempts in neighbouring Germany recently to make further inroads in that country. So you think that the Saudis are not active in central Asia? An area' that is already Islamic and ready and willing to further the Islamic cause.

Submitting....

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