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"What is more important in world history - a few stirred up Moslems or the fall of communism ...or a few thousand Americans killed on 9/11 and afterwards by a few stirred up Moslems? "

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in response to reader comment: different perspectives - that is all

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 18, 2012 at 15:49

the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan wrote :

> Ummmm, ...... no. What 'idealism' am I guilty of now? Just because I don't dislike Americans - or Estonians for that matter - and have not said nice things about Stalin - does not mean that I'm not a realist. <

I was a bit too sarcastic, I admit. The problem is not idealism at all. Privately, I doubt anyone working in the financial sector is able to preserve idealism in the long run given the dirty realities of the business. The deeper problem is what we do with new information contradicting our beliefs. Theoretically, we can either reject the information or our belief. Practically, out of 100 people 1 or 2 at best will reject the wrong belief, 99-98 will stick to their belief and will reject the information which contradicts the belief.

"...The midwife of your illusion seems to come from your love of theory that tends to thrive mostly in the dearth of facts. "

> So far, you seem to be criticising an image you have of me in your mind rather than what I actually think .<

I imagine you as a Kantian "Ding an sich" - unknowable, unfathomable, hidden for ever from the prying eye of an East European peasant's son like me.

>A nice turn of phrase - but it has no substance. I am not a flag waving American don't forget. If you criticise the USa - I'm not going to be personally offended. Every major power has its activities heavily scrutinised - some much more than others - but Yank bashing is a sport for many people.<

It's not a sport at all.It's a question of life or death for this world which can't support a country that produces 20% of the world GDP but consumes 40% of it. Do you find this parasitic Islam-friendly US hegemony sportful or sportsmanlike in the first place ?

"I am not going to remedy this particular instance of your failing vision of reality ,of course, "

>Of course. Those who really do know and understand everything that is going on find it very difficult to convey their wisdom to the unknowing. Islamists have exactly the same problem.<

Somehow, the Americans have a perfect way to make themselves understood to their Islamist friends. I have seen it all over the world -in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo or Libya.The Moslem vultures are there to help US aggression as we saw in the case of Serbia. And they are generously rewarded by their masters. Two brand-new Moslem states in the heart of Europe are big time prize, aren't they?

> Which political leader ( now back in power once again) was it that said that the collapse of the Soviet Union ( where all the central Asian Stan's with all their resources were proxy Russian states) was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century?<

Imagine that I share this view and at the same time I find the polictician you mention to be a 100% American puppet not unlike the despicable puppets ruling my own country.This traitor has now consented to establish a NATO base in Ulyanovsk and practically disbanded the Russian Army with his minister's Serdiukov ( a fomer manager of a furniture shop in St. Petersburg ;) "military reform"!

Anyway, had the USSR existed , we would have no Islamisation of the Balkans, not 150 000 people slaughtered in Tajikistan within two weeks with babies skinned alive, no smouldering churches in Kosovo, no apartheid states of your favorite Estonians and Latvians,no minarets in Moscow or in Grozny, not even daily Turkish provocations and inroads over the Aegean and definitely no Turkish protectorate in Azerbaijan, no US-sponsored narco-state of Kosovo ... ! It would be a much more stable and peaceful world with the USSR checking the evil forces of Islam unleashed by the US that is using chaos as the main tool of its hegemonial policy. But this is exactly what would be the greatest tragedy from your "perspective", wouldn't it?You really seem to believe that communism is much worse than Islam, don't you?

> Are there not still large numbers of Russians living in Kazahkstan, Tatarstan , Uzbekistan - where they actually do have far more influence on day to day life than the beknighted Americans?<

Tatarstan is part of Russia.' Large numbers'??? Central Asia has been by now virtually de-Russified . Some 70% of Russians have fled from Turkmenistan,50% from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan lost almost 90% of its Russian population. In Kasakhstan, despite the fact that vast, purely Russian territories were included into this artificial state, the decline of the Russian population is also astonishing. In 1989 there were 6 200 000 Russians there, i.e. 37% of teh total population.In 2010 there were just 3 700 000 , i.e. 23%. And everywhere Pan-Turkic and Islamist organizations sponsored by the Turks - America's darlings - and other American Moslem proxies have gained momentum. Now even in such a quiet republic like Kasakhstan they have their al-Qaeda and Gulen-style madrassas and terrorists.

> Commercial and trade arrangements with Russian interests set up before 1991 are still in existence - the populations use Russian, not English as the lingua franca.<

Russian has been restricted everywhere in Central Asia as the exodus of the Russian population continued and re-Islamisation set in.

Anyway, what an unpardonable sin to replace shariah with the Soviet Civil Code! Isn't it because of that that the US has been so obstinately forcing the re-Islamisation of Central Asia? It's always been fighting communism using all possible devils, monsters and Frankensteins. Almost all anti-communist propaganda is copied from Hitler's and Goebbel's cookbooks.But why bother?The main weapon against communist was Islam and the CIA-sponsored Fifth Column within the communist block.The result is either re-Islamisation or demographic decay and social and economic degradation and serfdom like in the case of my country.

> The details you relate are not exactly hidden facts. I have no doubt that Big Oil, whatever its origins is extremely interested in currying favour with whatever despots will listen to them in Central Asia.<

Will you kindly explain to me what "Big Oil" stands behind "East Turkistan, a 'country' recognized by only one country, the United States. East Turkistan, aka Xinjiang, is officially a part of China, and home to the Uyghur people and the "Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement," a UN-nominated terrorist organization "funded mainly by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and received training, support and personnel from both the al-Qaeda and the Taliban regime of Afghanistan? In fact, the Uyghurs constitute a significant percentage of detainees - at least 22 - at Guantanamo Bay since 2001. Five of those have been set free, and were eventually sent to Albania"?

> And of course America is going to use its influence, where it can - to do what it thinks is in its long term national interests.<

Will you help me further assess how many Americans would define the danse macabre of their government with Islam as serving "long term American national interests"? You as a good kafir (no pun intended) approve of it, don't you, while most US kafirs to my mind haven't forgotten the sinister lesson of Afghanistan despite Zbig Brzezinski's demagogic question "What is more important in world history - a few stirred up Moslems or the fall of communism"? It depends for whom? I am afraid that it would be most difficult to explain Brzezinski's "grand dessein" to those wretched American victims trapped in the burning Twin Towers on 11.09.2001.Much easier though to people with shorter memory.

> Just as Russia does - doesn't not wanting to rock the boat with its established customers in Syria not make perfect economic sense - however unjustified it may be ethically?<

How many Moslem states has Russia established compared to the US? And please don't bring up Syria here and "ethically unjustified " things! Isn't it enough for you that Libya has been robbed of its 144 tons of gold and delivered to al-Qaeda and the Moslem Brotherhood by the American harlot ? You want Syria to follow ?

> You might have been made aware of the Salafists attempts in neighbouring Germany recently to make further inroads in that country. So you think that the Saudis are not active in central Asia? An area' that is already Islamic and ready and willing to further the Islamic cause. <

Leaving our badly Turkified neighbor , won't you try to answer Sibel Edmonds' question which was :

"After 911, the US Government engaged in mock investigations and shut down many small Islamic charities and organizations, giving the appearance of action in the so-called 'War on Terror.' Why did they harbor, support and resource Fethullah Gulen's $25 billion madrassa-and-mosque-establishment efforts throughout the Central Asian region and the Balkans?" ?


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