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Ibn Ismail: Koran Al Nisa 95 says Muslims living in infidel lands wrong themselves

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Submitted by Plato (India), Jun 10, 2012 at 04:44

Ibn Ismail you write:

>>Muslims migrate from "Muslim countries" due to a few reasons, the main being economic reasons.<<

Right you are. They migrate mainly for economic reasons, as does almost everyone else. Most Muslim economies are in shambles (except those propped up by oil money). And why is that if not because they are Islamic countries with Islamic values that suffocate innovation, creativity and the need for humans to be free to evolve away from stifling cultural and economic ideologies.

Putting Muslim countries in inverted commas indicates that you do not believe that any Muslim country exists. Very like the Marxists saying no Communist country ever existed only socialist countries.

This is an admission that Islam, Allah's very on religion, is a BIG failure as far as economic progress is concerned. This religion of submission may fetch you houris, rivers of honey and milk in the after life but very little in this world except misery as experienced by most Islamic countries.

>>The sad reality is that Muslims have abandoned the teachings of Islam and allowed tyrants (mubaraks, gaddafis etc.) who are all puppets and friends of the true enemies to control them.<<

The sad reality is that Muslims readily abandon their native lands for the Kaffir West because of the lure of lucre. The ones who are leaving at present are not the poor and oppressed but the professional classes. The poor Muslims leave for countries where oil money flows and sharia rules to become slaves of the Gulf Arabs.

Islam is a religion of submission, first to the phantom in the sky, Allah, and then to those who claim to be His representatives or shadows on earth like Mubarak, Gaddafi, Khameini and others too numerous to be named. Allah has said that to disobey a Muslim ruler except if he defies Allah's religion is fitnah and punishable by having your limbs chopped off at opposite ends. This is the real reason why Muslims abjectly submit to their oppressors.

Bukhari (Judgments) V9 Bk 89 258:Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it.

Bukhari V 9 Bk 89 257: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners)

005.033 YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

You could argue, as some do, that 5:33 only relates to the time of the Messenger but then this verse will become redundant and can be deleted from the Koran.

>>Religious Muslims migrating to the west are not leaving sharia states. If it were sharia states, religious Muslims would remain there.<<

Really? How do you know this? Muslims are not prone to obeying the Koran when money is involved.

Does not the Allah tell you that:

"Verily! As for those whom the Angels have taken (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory to them), they (angels) asked them, "In what condition were you?". They replied, "We were weak and oppressed on earth". The Angels asked, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to migrate therein?" Al Nisa 95"

Ibn Islmail is not the earth of Allah spacious enough for Muslims? Why do they have to emigrate in the direction opposite to that recommended by Allah?

Muslims are weak and oppressed in Muslim lands so they emigrate to infidel lands. What is poor Allah to make of this?

Ibn Ismail it is time you emigrated out of South Africa to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

>> God is testing his servants. Muslims live for the afterlife, the world is an examination. <<

You mean Allah is testing Muslims by making Islamic lands, lands of oppression to see if they will emigrate to kuffar lands?

Muslims who emigrate to the West are failing Allah's examination as clearly stated in Al Nisa 95. So be warned, all Muslims who live in kuffar lands, which includes South Africa, are going to fry in hell.

>>Truth and falsehood will be finally exposed when everyone stands on judgment day.<<

Tell us Ibn Ismail about the truth of Al Nisa 95. Will you and millions of other Muslims be exposed on judgment day for having gone over to the land of kuffar?

>>People lie, manipulate, use their wits and hide in the world, but not in front of God (Allah- as called by Muslims and Christians in Arabic). <<

Read your posts again and tick off honestly those statements of yours that are not lies or manipulations. Remember Allah knows what is in your heart.

>>With muslim migration, the west's own freedom and democracy is working against them. look at France, they cant stand women dressed like Mary (the mother of Jesus)<<

Very true. Muslims are succeeding in smuggling their sharia and culture into the West using their weakness for democracy as a weapon.

Have you any photographic or any other evidence for Mary (if at all such a person existed) for her being clothed in a niqab let alone a hijab?

Regards

Plato

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