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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 20, 2012 at 06:57

ibrahim who lives among kuffar wrote

>Well a little bit strange article.

What is really strange about it our dear Ibrahim?

>Of course there are lots of problems about hadith.

Oh let me help you here Ignaz Golziher did prove beyond doubt that all al-ahadith are anachronistic and bogus

And there is one simple principle in Islam if anything contradicts Quran, then it is false.

Really? says who? ... the purpose of the ahadith was very clear and let me help you: To explain what all these Quranic allusions that did not make any sense are all about and in other words it is no more than another form of Quranic exegesis and in the process to explain and expand islamic law

And the miracles, as we see, show that those hadith were written under the influence of christians. There are also hadith which are written under the influence of Judaism. This issue is still widely dicussed by muslim theologians and scholars.

If by this you mean that some ahadith were composed by Christian and Jewish converts to the religion of the Arabs to protect their own co-religionists then you are correct but this would make these ahadith as anachronistic as was proven by Goldziher

There is an other example of cooperation with Christianity. By Quran exegesis Cristian sources are used, if they don't contradict the Quran.

Really? where? ... your Allah tells us that the OT and NT are corrupted books right?

For example, there is much more information about Adam in Bible than in Quran. That's why we can use Bible as a source.

Really? I need to inform the Mufti in Saudi Arabia that you our dear Ibrahim who is not aware that the Qur'an says that islam is the religion of the Arabs only that you believe that the Bible is used in Quranic exegesis

I smell a fatwa here

The reason is very simple: Quran, Tora and Bible are the same - God's revelation.

Sure then why do Muslims tell us that the OT and NT are corrupted books our dear Ibrahim who lives among kuffar and whose ancestors in the Balkans were brutalized by Islam and Muslims so which one is it corrupted or not corrupted and it cannot be both

If we talk about the coins and inscriptions, well, first islamic state, caliphate, was founded 70 years after Muhammad's death.

Really? which books of history are you reading?

And if there is no central authority who then can make coins and inscriptions?

What does central authority had to do with minting coins? care to tell us

Oh let me guess it must be those islamophobes that made such coins right?

And lastly,

Oh lastly? Thank God

if there was no such person named "Muhammad" then there are no muslims. Well, then who are over a billion people who call themselves muslim?

Let me help you your likes are the victims of the biggest literary fraud in the history of humanity and that is the islamic historical tradition

There are christians, as this article and a book say to us. Very logical, isn't it?

And speaking of logic how could you be Muslim when the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says that islam is the religion of the Arabs only you tell us

This article should be reviewed, because it has too many uncritical information

And I urge you to leave islam and be free again from the Arabs ...

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