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Response to Abdullah: Murder of Kinana , Response to Mohammed

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Submitted by Mohammed (United States), Aug 3, 2005 at 09:56

Mr. Abdullah:

You said:

Mr. Mohammed you have to brush up your history.
According to Ishaq Mohammed attacked Khayber after the embarassing Hudaibia treaty which his jihadis did not like. He had to please them with quick booty and captured women so he attacked rich jewish community of Khayber unanounced.

Reply:

The Muslims in Hudaibia were unhappy with the treaty conditions first except Abu Bakr, but it did not take them a second to remember that Mohammad is the Prophet of God and God is the one who sent him and supported him with the Qur'an. They obeyed the Prophet! After that, while the Prophet was walking with Omar, Omar kept talking to the Prophet and the Prophet did not answer him. After short time, the Prophet started reciting Surat " Al Fath ". The Sura tells the Prophet that he is ordered to go to Khayber and defeat the Fighters there. The Surat told the Prophet that he will win. The Prophet's soldiers were 1600 and the Khayber trops were 10,000.
Please ask yourself then, how come then 1600 will defeat 10,000 who live in very strong and protected strongholds? No man can defeat the enemy this way. In Milliraty they say you have to have three times the number of your enemies if you are attacking people in strong holds.
If Mohammad was not the Prophet he would never dare to attack 10,000 strong fighters in strongholds. Because Mohammad is the Prophet, he obeyed God's orders and went for the war. He had small army supported by God against much stronger one not supported by God.
The Result was clear: Islam won and Mohammad and his 1600 defeated the sytong enemy in number and stronghold and weak for fighting the orders of God.
Are you saying that if Hamas Leaders now promised the Palestinians a victory over Israel and promise their followers booty and Israel's women, then they will go and win?

You said:

Here is what Bukhari writes of Khaybar:

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet.

I say:

This is not what Bokhari wrote. This is a small part of the story! Go to the Islamic Sites or the Library and find out the whole story. I have the information in Arabice and I am telling you that the Prophet won only after Ali, his cousin succeeded to remove the steel door of the Stronghold of "Hesn Al Naeam", the strongest of all which later 25 men failed to carry such a door.

Safya was then a slave. The Prophet gave her her freedom and married her. She said that he was the one she hated the most before seeing him then he became the best man on earth after she saw him! Is not tbhis an honor, a slave becomes the wife of the Prophet of God? She became a strong believer and all her friends joined Islam.

You said:

Kinana, their chief, was tortured by Mohammed by lighting fire on his chest to find whereabouts of his treasury (Ishaq pge 515). Later he was beheaded.17 year old Safia was his beautiful wife with whom Mohammed slept the same night .

I say:

Kenana was the chief of Khayber who did fight the Prophet by all plots and it had opened its doors to the Jews of Banu Al Nodair who were defeated and expelled before. These people worked hard against the Prophet and there is a price to pay if you fight the Prophet. God gave Kenana the power and money. he fought God's messenger. God sent the Prophet and supported him to win the battle. Now the enemy of God, kenana became now a prisoner. Giving him a chance will not help at all. His money given to him by God is now the property of islam. He tried to hide this money which is originally the money of God (Everything on earth is the property of God. he gives some and does not give others. If you fight God's messenger, you lose even if u have 10,000 and after that your money will be given to the believers). Period.

You said:

Bukhari Book 008, Number 3329:

Anas, (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Safiyya (Allah be pleased with her) fell to the lot of Dihya in the spoils of war, and they praised her in the presence of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: We have not seen the like of her among the captives of war. He sent (a messenger) to Dihya and he gave him whatever he demanded ( he was given two young cousins of Safia in leiu of Safia by the prophet).

I say:

What is wrong with that? If Mohammad is the Leader of Islam and Safya is the wife of the leader of the enemies of Islam then marrying her will give a chance to the lady to know who is the Prophet of Islam. This led to her Islam quickly and all her friends too.

You said:

Mr Mohammed, Just because Mohammed succeeded in killing Kinana and sleeping with his wife, you think Allah was with him.

Answer:

Mohammad was not supposed with 1600 men to defeat 10,000 in their strong holds made from steel. How did he do? With the help of God! Otherwise tell me why did this happen and how? How did Mohammad gain 1.8 Billion Muslims now increasing eacg second and gaining Converts from USA, Canada, Europe? The American and European People are in the top of technology, army, air force, .. Universities, .. and it should not happen the People in the top read and study islam and believe the Prophet and become Muslims!
Another proof the Prophet is a true Prophet: he was illetrate and the Qur'an came to the world through him. If the Prophet is not a Prophet, collect all the world and try to beat Islam by making a book stronger which can take the Muslims from their Qur'an to the new book written by you and all the Humanity! It is written in the Qur'an a challenge: If all Humanity try together to write a book like the Qur'an, they will all fail!
You can prove and the Non Muslims that the above verse is false once you write and your supporters a book like the Qur'an!

You said:

That means Allah was also with Genghis Khan who killed millions of muslims, raped their women and raZed Baghdad to the ground.

Answer:

No: God was not with G. Khan. God was punishing the Muslims for the fact they kept sleeping and not united to defeat Khan and his very powerful troops. The Army of Holako was many times the army of the Muslims and they even were not ready to stop even 1/4 of Holako army!
Remember: islam won with small armies against much more powerful armies. This did not happen in the case of Holako!

Mohammed
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