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Reader comment on article: What Do the Terrorists Want? [A Caliphate]

Submitted by bonzodog (United Kingdom), Feb 15, 2006 at 08:46

Hmm establishing a Caliphate - sounds nice, no videos, games, art, sexual images, freedom for women, homosexuality .... no fun in fact. Lots of beards, rocking backwards and forwards with a Koran and talking absolute cobblers around a some fairy tale written in the 14th C.

What I struggle to understand is why the Sharia touting Wahhabbi's and other islamofascists are such a bunch of miserable .... They are more obssessed than anyone in the West - we choose to ignore it, or enjoy it as we wish. They just can't stop thinking about it, clearly.

Anyway, most of them given the choice would gladly make use of everything that secular enlightenment has to offer (medical science for example) if needed. Think about the state we'd be in if they succeed. What a dry, restrictive, parched existence. I'm for personal pleasure, leisure, meaningless consumerism, arts and culture, sexual licence, drink and drugs the whole western shebang - we've worked hard for our personal freedoms, and if this is the alternative in mind I'm not sure I'm buying.

Why allow this joyless bunch of idiots to have any influence on our lives ? Do some of the other idiots that think they support them realise what have in mind. I think if it was stated as clear a scenario for life some of the part time jihadis would be wondering about when the fun stops. Strike poses with an AK - but consider that with a Caliphate the fun really stops..... and then you get prayer and the life of a medieval monk..... for ever. Don't even think about the life of women - just look at Saudi if you want to know how things will run.... Doesn't sound so good - unless you are a power crazed imam - in which case you get your jollies killing every one elses pleasure.

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