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Samer is saying that islam was indeed spread by the sword and as if we did not know

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 27, 2008 at 09:20

Our dear samer who really needs to get a life wrote

>Your answer is wrong, the reason why Christianity or others did not conquer the world is simply because they could not.

really? so let me paraphrase the above: islam did conquer the ancient world of the late antique period. Right? So islam was really spread by the sword. Right? So much for the religion of peace (sic)

>Christians did try, but it was impossible for them to do so.

Not really. Early Christianity was not spread by violence and if you take the case of late antique Egypt where we have abundant extant sources we can see that as per Frankfurter (Relgion in Roman Egypt) Egyptians converted to Christianity because they did view it as a natural evolution of their Egyptian religion and even icons as in the case of the Horus (the avenger of Osiris) riding a horse and slaying an animal/monster is not any different from St. George riding a horse and slaying some similar animal/monster and yes there were isolated peiords of violence as in the case of the killing of Hypatia and Shenouda's rantings against the Hellenes (pagans) but all in all it was done in peace.

One can very much argue that even Islam was accepted by the Arabs because it was no more than reshaping of their own believes and that the jahiliya is indeed alive and well and is now called islam.

Now if you examine the invasion of the Americas by the Spanish a very different picture emerges and this is where Christianity indeed was spread by mainly by violence

You need to read some history book and stop reading this poor literature that shall remain unnamed

>Islamic ideology for sure is to be spread all over the world and it should be.

By whom? By ignorant people like you? You must pardon me but you are a joke

>it does not need the sword or gun to do so.

Could it be because they just do not work?

> Look at the great people who entered Islam just thinking positively about it, they saw the light.

Could you provide me with one or two names? Let me see: Jose Padilla? A real pathetic man

>We admit that Muslims received a mission that Islam Ideology is to be spread through out the world.

Well you can try and waste your life trying to spread Arabian imperialism that brutalized your Hindu ancestors and for this I say: Shame

But you know what? you sound very much like communists that used to tell us that they are out to spread communism and its ideology and you know what? communism was another religion that was defeated and so will Islam

>We admit this unlike the Christians whom we are seeing their works in Africa and Asia, how feverly and vehemently are trying to convert people to Christianity. I believe that Christians have a mission to spread their ideology all over the world.

I think that today's Christianity is a far better choice, and I'm not even Chistian, than today"s islam and are you aware that the likes of Zakaria Botros (see al-Hayat TV) is going after your masters the Arabs and he seems to be able to get many to convert to Chirstianty? which made him islam's enemy number one

>To confirm that it is of no obligiation to non-Muslims to convert to Islam the Quran mentioned many time and in different verses such as "No compulsion in religion, the truth is clear and the false is clear" and agains "You have your own faith and we have ours" and "don't force enlighntment on the people, for you will not guide those whom you love, but God will guide whom ever he wishes to be guided"

One word: bogus. The above was abrogated (oh the Allah changing his mind thing) by ayat al-sayf wa ayat al-jizya and how come you did not know that? ...

>and we should abide with God's words.

You mean Allah? and why do you use the plural we or nahnoo? and where would I find Allah using the word nahnoo in the Qur'an?

I urge you to abandon islam and be whole again

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