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of course no one should steal for any reason - so why hasn't the Bible recommended crucifixion for cattle rustlers?

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in response to reader comment: No one should steal for any reason at all. God's law and also law of the land.

Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Sep 13, 2008 at 05:35

Shaan Wise replied:

"Sir, Please keep reading the whole Quran, not just parts of it here and there."
which means 'don't quote things Shaan can't successfully explain away ... only quote the nice things about Islam".

Mr. Shaan - you're missing the point. We want the facts, not the BS. We read the facts and see it for what it is - a fraud, based on a garbled mistranslation of jewish scriptures embellished by creative accounts of the life of an arabian warlord Mo which has been successfully perpetrated on the arab people and has spread from there. If I've heard about the effects of jalapeno peppers from people who have no taste buds left - I don't have to eat a whole jalapeno to know it's flavour and it's devastating effect on the digestive system - as I don't have to read a Koran to get its message.

"......You have it in you to become a good Muslim."

And you have it in you to become a good Buddhist, a good Christian and even a good Jew. In fact every human being can become enlightened - which is the true goal of our existence - not hankering for 72 virgins, tents and green carpets in a recreated 7th century arabian peninsula afterlife.

"..... Please do justice to yourself and other readers out there."

No, please do justice to YOURSELF - by realising that other readers have the intelligence and ability and discernment to realise that following Islam is an enormously retrograde step.

"......... Just like any thing, food or any good book. When its food to enjoy it you have to eat the whole meal."

re-read my jalapeno allegory.

"If its a book . Read from front to back. Try to understand, why such and such was said."

So what are you referring to here, my quote about what Allah thinks is best for camel stealers?

""When the Apostle of Allah . . . cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion." (Abu Dawud, no. 4357)""

OR

what Mo would like to see happen to Jews at a future time:

""the messenger of Allah, PBUH said: "The hour of judgment shall not happen until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims shall kill the Jews to the point that the Jew shall hide behind a big rock or a tree and the rock or tree shall call on the Muslim saying: hey, O Muslim there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him, except the Gharqad tree which will not say, for it is the tree of Jews."

So which one are you referring to and implying I've taken out of context?
Please explain exactly what it does mean and in which context it is meant to be taken.

And explain how that particular tract can be thought of as enhancing world peace and understanding or creating a feeling of compassion for one's fellow man? What does it do for anti-semitism other than increase it?

Why does the New Testament have no recommendations from God for crucifying camel thieves? Why didn't Christ blind his enemies with hot nails?

The fact that you can imagine that the creative intelligence behind the Universe would even suggest, let alone recommend - crucifying human beings - because it is written amongst a series of fables about an Arabian warlord - deeply disturbs me.

"............I can see that you area good person,"

Awwww, shucks,.....how condescending of you, thankyou.

"...........that is looking for the truth."

What makes you think I haven't found it?
And what makes you think the 'Truth' is in an arabian fable? All the REAL teachers have said and always will say to find the Truth inside you - in your own consciousness (which ultimately is the only thing you truly have) - not in a book or a primitive philosophy.

There is a spiritual truth for mankind - there is no denying that - every individual is hardwired to perceive truth - and they have the choice to work with it or against it (which in the end is working against themselves.)

Humanity's collective realisation of truth is expanding rapidly as we discover more and more in every field. Especially science and cosmology. What the big problem for Islam is - is its insistence that it alone so supreme truth - when Westerners KNOW this is patently absurd. The more Muslims try to spread their beliefs in the West - the more ridicule they receive (what do they expect?). The more ridicule they receive the harder they fight to spread the 'truth' (non-capital 'T') - as the religion requires that all must submit to it and because they believe it is the 'truth' for themselves - therefore it is automatically the 'truth' for everyone else.

Fortunately, it's NOT. But that doesn't stop people with zero cultural sensitivity for the cultures of the new, freedom loving countries to which they have migrated from trying to spread its myths amongst the host cultures in the hope that , eventually , they will permeate it so successfully that it will reach a tipping point where Islam can take over. No more Dar al Harb. That's what you want secretly, isn't it? dar al-Islam, no more dar al-harb?

"......Love all Jew's, Christian's, Muslim's and others."
OK, of course I'm not going to put that one down - that's the most sensible thing you've said.

But it's a real pity the Imams and the bulk of Muslims in Pakistan, Egypt, Iran and Lebanon don't follow the same philosophy. Yes, of course some of them will SAY they do, but how many of them for example would REALLY allow Israel to exist if they had the power to wipe it off the map - as Ahmedinajab has publicly said.

Submitting....

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