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Ahmed: Comparing and contrasting Muslim and Western culture

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Submitted by Plato (India), Oct 8, 2008 at 22:56

Ahmed., you wrote to Ariana:

>>Sweet! You are an ex-Muslima and you should at least have mentioned the difference between Islam and Western culture objectively.<<

Here are some objective differences between Islamic and Western culture:

1. Muslims submit to an unseen deity who they think will fry them in hell if He is not propitiated with prayers and animal sacrifices. The West questions the concept of any kind of personal deity and it abhors blood sacrifices.

2. Muslims have been unable to overcome the culture of submission that the religion preaches and extends it to their leaders and family structure (the husband in total control with authority to thrash his wives). In the West leaders are expendable (via elections) and people do not need to submit to them and the family is a cooperative unit between man woman and their children.

>>I admit that the West is technologically developed, but morally primitive.<<

The technological superiority of the West is self-evident from the fact that educated Muslims are eager to study and work there. You saying that the West is morally primitive is an indication of the kind of morality that Muslims have. For Muslims the only morality that matters is the sexual morality of women. Women must stay concealed from the rapacious eyes of men. They are a field which only their husbands or owners, if they are slave-girls, can till. Men are free to sexually enjoy four wives at time and any number of slaves.

>>When you see women walking down streets naked, only then will you clearly see the difference. I know; you call it freedom<<

The jahilia Arabs had the freedom to worship naked in the sacred vicinity of the Kaaba. Those enlightened pagans rightly considered the human body, naked or clothed, to be sacred (Allah created us naked, remember?). Along comes your prophet, who believed the naked body, especially that of women, to be something shameful and imprisoned them in the all-covering burka. He made men a degree above women. He gave men the authority to trash them (You know the verses). End of freedom for women.

You see a naked woman walk down the streets and you feel something stirring in you. Is that bad? You are alive because of that feeling. What is bad is if your religion and your culture has not taught you enough self-control to prevent you from molesting the lady. The Westerner has that self-control. Go to the beaches in any western nation and you will see men admiring naked women but yet not moved to assault them.

You will probably come up with Western statistics, as so many Muslims on this blog have done, to show the number of rapes and assaults on women in the West. Islamic countries either do not keep such statistics or sweep them under the carpet. The assaults on women in Islamic Pakistan are well recorded by independent agencies. Read:

According to estimates - as many as 70 percent of women in Pakistan experience domestic violence. This violence can range from beatings, to sexual violence or torture, to broken bones and very serious injury caused by pouring of acid or burning the victim alive.

The victims of these abuses are trapped in a society where beatings from a male family member are acceptable and where independence and divorce are taboo. Often, these victims are trapped in a vicious cycle whereby they are abused twice over – once by their spouses and then by the very people they turn to for help – including policemen, judges and even mullahs (religious persons). (http://www.ansarburney.org/womens_rights-violence.html)

Ahmed, do you prefer women freely walking naked in the streets and their dignity not violated by males or women imprisoned in their homes, as in Islamic countries, and battered and abused by males? Why don't you recognize that Islam is a joyless religion for half of mankind?

>>When 2 in three new-born are born out-of-wedlock…<<

Ahmed, what is your problem with children born out of wedlock? As long they are loved, fed and educated and made into good citizens what is your grouse? Islamic morality? Give us a break! Look at the children born in holy wedlock in Muslims countries. They are underfed, and madrassa educated to have a permanent sense victimhood and grievance against infidels.

>>… when you can't differentiate between the prostitute and a religious woman, I think it high time you criticized your life style.<<

Have you heard of misyar marriages in Saudi Arabia and muta weddings in Iran? At least I would expect that prostitutes in the West exist because of economic reasons or by personal choice and not because of religious compulsion i.e either to meet the sexual needs of women as in Saudi Arabia or the sexual needs of men in Iran.

>> Islam will dominate. You apply one child policy, that is why we will dominate the world one day!<<

Islam is dominating now in the field of terrorism, poor education, feelings of victimhood, and illusions of past and present grandeur of their religion. What contribution has Islam made to human progress in the last several centuries in science or the arts? Abdus Salam was a heretic Ahmedia Nobel Prize winner. Neguib Mahfouz was stabbed by Muslims.

The only country that I know of with a one-child policy is China and it is slowly but surely beginning to dominate the world. India too encourages (not enforces) one-child families and it too dominates the region especially when compared to its Islamic neighbours Pakistan and Bangladesh with multiple-child families. One which is nearly bankrupt with its burgeoning population beginning to turn on itself and the other (Bangladesh) sendings hordes of its uncontrolled population across the border to prospering India.

Sure Muslims countries will dominate the world in numbers but they will find it impossible to dominate where it counts because of the closed minds that Islam encourages: economic progress, education and health.

>> You can hate Islam,…<<

What does Islam do? It started the hate game by cursing, abusing and ordering the subjugation of all who do not follow Islam. Want proof? Read:

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YUSUFALI: Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;

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YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth

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YUSUFALI: Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.

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YUSUFALI: When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

>> but remember you will not be able to make sex while Muslm. <<

What exactly are you trying to say? I suppose you have exempted halal sex. How else could the 1.5 billion Muslims come into existence. Why don't Muslims go and get a life instead of obsessing endlessly about sex and naked women. Women showing bits of ankle, hair or curves can set you and your co-religionists off on Islamic morality.

Regards

Plato

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