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Submitted by Guy Leven-Torres (Agricola) (United Kingdom), May 15, 2007 at 02:43

Dear Pat,

I think a lot of what you say is indeed correct, however we in the West get a very skewed view about the Middle East thanks to our wonderful Leftwing Moslem loving media and its obssession with victimhood and utilising every chance it has, to rub our noses in our 'guilt'. The problem for the Moslems is that most of their problems are caused by their own attitudes and refusal to countenance any idea, that they themselves are responsible for thei own condition and lack of Moslem 'honour', not we in the West. And by God we have tried, but look at the results. As you say even more terrorsist and contempt. It is enough to make the most patient of souls give up in disgust and I fully sympathise: to many people the Moslems are like naughty children that cannot get their way and so scream and shout, rant and throw tantrums every time they fail to impose their childish desires on the adults, us. The attack on the Twin towers was such a tantrum, or 'It's everybody else's fault except ours. Statistcally speaking more Moslems have killed more Moslems than non Moslems: millions more in fact!

The cost in life in terms of non Moslems over the 1300 years of its benighted existence is around 300,000 souls, according to a recent historical analysis. Considering the population of the planet was but 10 -15% of what it is today throughout most of the period, this took some doing didn't it? Yes the picture does look bleak and thanks to the Left and its appeasement of the Moslems and OPEC, we no longer have the power to do as we once did by coercing compliance with a heavy hand in the form of a large military response. The only alternative to the problem I can see is to mobilise on a world war footing to face down these people but can you imagine the population of Europe buying into that scenario, even the populace in USA, after the demonisation of Republican policy in Iraq and Tony Blair in Britain?

So as Churchill said 'Jaw Jaw rather than War War'. What option have we in such a climate? It is depressing in fact. We must though, keep some form of tough, not appeasing dialogue open. Places like Jordan,Egypt, the Gulf states rely upon US power. We must protect these old allies and friends, not give up hope.

We seem incapable of utilising ancient methods of divide and rule. Even my own country has lost this time honoured and successful knack. The answer my esteemed friend seems to lie herein and the excercise of covert power and select special forces to dominate the region......

The British navy is a shadow of its former self as is the Army I once served in. This latter is now being broken in Iraq. So that leaves the USA and our plea, yet again for American support. It is embarrassing for me, a Briton and many, if not most in the know within my country and Europe, absolutely pissed off with Leftwing clods that have no idea of hw to beat Islam and Islamism, even to admit there is one hell of a problem.

I still think it possible to influence the more westernised of the Islamised elite. This will take years and may end up as a permanent activity, in the same manner that our ancestors found over the centuries. Islam may well be beyond such hopes of reform as you say but we must try, for all our sakes but from strength not appeasement.

Arab society is riven with faction and strife running along great lengthy fault lines. The British and French during their days of empire were expests at playing thses various interests off against each other.: Sunni against Shia, faction against faction, tribe against tribe, brother against brother: that is the true nature of Islamic community or 'Umah' despite appearances to the contrary. Ethically it would not appeal to the average brainwashed dope in Europe but what other choice do we have, if we are to regain the moral and more importantly the position of superior strength we once had? It will take some doing especially in the prsesnt climate of appeasement and false western guilt.

I also agree with you that more universities and education is not the answer. However the receiving end of a large powerful military machine backed up by skilled strategy and diplomacy worked well in the past with a minimum of force. Take my old mates the Romans that were past masters at this activity of divide et impera!? they controlled an empire of 120,000,000 people with 300,000 men. Their weapons of choice, a willingness to thump the local yobbo hard ( and yes they did thump the Arabs regularly), backed up and supported by excellent diplomacy and bribery of elites with nice Roman wares and goods through trade. They also insisted on the superiority of Roman ( western) civilisation. We could learn here perhaps lessons that we modern types seem to have forgotten in our sniffy arrogance towards the past and hypocritical attitudes towards better men than ourselves.

Thank you for your comments! I enjoyed them!

My website is www.guyleven-torres.co.uk and for history and archaeology www.legioixhispana.co.uk.

You may enjoy these perhaps?

Again thank you Pat for your excellent riposte

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