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in response to reader comment: Quran AND Science

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Feb 7, 2006 at 07:11

"Notice that he never mentioned whether the statements in the Qur'an are scientific or not"

He didnt? Read this part again:-

"Professor Moore stated: "....Because
the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous
process of change during development, it is proposed that a
new system of classification could be developed using the terms
mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah (what Muhammad _ said,
did, or approved of). The PROPSED SYSTEM is simple, comprehensive,
and CONFORMS with present embryological knowledge. The
intensive studies of the Qur'an and hadeeth (reliably transmitted
reports by the Prophet Muhammad's _ companions of what he
said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a
system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was
recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the
founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos
developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth
century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As
far as it is known from the history of embryology, LITTLE was known
about the staging and classification of human embryos until the
TWENTIETH century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human
embryo in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in
the seventh century."

Still if you are not happy:-
"It follows, I think, that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion, but in fact religion can guide science by adding revelation to some traditional scientific approaches. That there exists statements in the Qur'aan shown by science to be valid, which supports knowledge in the Qur'aan having been derived from Allah."(Joe Leigh Simpson, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the North Western University in Chicago in the United States of America.)

"He simply stated what the Islamists wanted to hear, took his money and went home."

Listen Lisa. Professor Moore is not just any scientist that the muslims would have found lying down on the road. he is one of the most credible person on earth when it comes to embryology.
read my previous comment again:-
"Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences."

And dont forget. After gaining new knowledge from the Quran he wrote the new edition of his book, complete with references from the Quran, and that book recieved the award for the best book written by a single author and has been translated into 8 languages.

The most important Ayat in Dr. Moores 'schooling' from the Quran was from Surah al-Muminun, Chapter 23 verse number 13 and 14
Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
(firmly fixed? 1400 years nobody knew that an embryo is fixed)

"Then We made the sperm into 'alaq'; then of that 'alaq' We made a 'mudhgah'; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create!"

read 23:14.
Alag has three meanings:
1) something which clings
2) leech-like substance
3) a clot congealed of blood.

1) something which clings:
We all know that an embryo clings to the wall of the uterus
2) leech-like substance:
Does a human look like a leech in the womb in early stages?
even professor Moore didnt know that. He used powerful microscopes and found that it does.(the first microscope was invented centuries after Muhammad's (pbuh) death). you can see more the picture of a leech and a human embryo in early stages in the award winning book written by moore, and also in later books co-authored by moore.
3) a clot of blood:
previously this was thought by many non-muslims as a scientific error in the Quran. But after Moores research it was found that before an embryo starts developing, the blood of its mother is accumulated in some blood vessels in the womb. and as the blood cells are very close together and stationary, it looks like a congealed clot of blood(you can see the drawing of this blood vessel in any recent book on embryology used by medical students)

The Quran then states that the alaq is turned into a mudhgah.
mudhgah means a lump or something which looks like it has been chewed upun.
Both of them are true. in the later stages the unborn child turns in to a foetus(lump)
and its shape is like a gum which has been chewed.(our mouth has a curved shaped, therefore if you chew a gum its shape becomes curved just like a foetus, and the teeth marks on the gum resemble the spine of the foetus.(open the book, the developing human)

The Quran then says that the foetus' bones are created and covered in flesh, implying that bones are created first. ofcourse this is also true as found recently by scientists(previously it was thought that the bones and flesh are created simultanesly, but now modern microscopes show that the Quran is right and the scientists were wrong.therefore this is not a scientific error as thought but a miracle)

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