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Reader comment on item: Is Turkey Going Rogue?
in response to reader comment: Turkey did not help during the holocaust, it oppressed its non-Muslim citizens
Submitted by Jon Ozdamar (United States), Sep 30, 2011 at 20:24
Iskender (Alexander),
Your analysis is peppered with historical anarchonisms. Turkey from 1930-50s was goverened by a secular nationalist regime that was categorically opposed to politcal Islam. It is therefor inappropriate to suggest that Turkish Jews were oppressed because they where a "Dhimmi" population. Jews were a minority, and like any other minority in the Republic of Turkey, they were oppressed. This includes Muslim minorities such as Alevites.
Jews were oppressed everywhere in the 30s. The much vaunted "Judeo-Christian" tradition did not exist 70 years ago. In fact, Jews have historically suffered much more their from Christians and their Nationalist successors than from Muslims (source: Bernard Lewis,"The Jews of Islam"). Any Jew at the time would have preferred Turkey over her next door Orthodox Christian neighborhoods of Bulgaria, Greece, or Soviet Armenia. This has a historical basis: every Ottoman blood libel was either instigated by Orthodox Christians or Arabs, never by Turks (Ibid.)
Modern politics is distorting your historical analysis.
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2 | yaşasın türkiye [254 words] | havas | Sep 29, 2011 18:00 | 189710 | |
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3 | ![]() | Turckce konusanamerikali | Nov 3, 2011 19:08 | 189697 | |
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Question for Dr Pipes [53 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jay1 | Sep 27, 2011 18:42 | 189618 | ||
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7 | ![]() | Stephen Blanton | Sep 28, 2011 19:01 | 189617 | |
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3 | ![]() | Paul S. | Sep 29, 2011 18:53 | 189613 | |
16 | National Interests [18 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Sep 27, 2011 15:35 | 189611 | |
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18 | ![]() | Ayla Kosebey | Sep 30, 2011 16:45 | 189611 | |
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6 | I'm not surpised! [159 words] | Jacob Thomas | Sep 27, 2011 14:56 | 189610 | |
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1 | ![]() | Jon Ozdamar | Sep 30, 2011 20:24 | 189600 | |
4 | ![]() | Iskender | Oct 2, 2011 01:00 | 189600 | |
7 | ![]() | Ianus | Oct 2, 2011 14:46 | 189600 | |
5 | ![]() | Ianus | Oct 2, 2011 19:36 | 189600 | |
4 | ![]() | Iskender | Oct 2, 2011 21:10 | 189600 | |
1 | ![]() | Jon Ozdamar | Oct 3, 2011 09:38 | 189600 | |
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8 | ![]() | Ianus | Oct 4, 2011 14:30 | 189600 | |
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