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Submitted by Esmeralda (Slovakia), Dec 11, 2007 at 04:31

as far as i know, there is no mischief definition in quran.

1 Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption (done) in the land - it is as if he had slain humankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved humankind entirely."

your citation is incomplete, maybe purposefuly.

this commandment is binding for Childern of Israel - and because moslems never proved the corruption of OT nor NT, according to them, this command is not binding for them (and taking into account the abrogation of the quranic verses), it is not very valid definition

there is complete citation:

Qur'an- sura 5:32:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land-it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..."

moreover, above mentioned ayat is a plagiat from apocryphal Jewish literature; this time the Jewish Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5.

"We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, 'the voice of thy brother's blood crieth out' [this latter is a quote from the Bible, Genesis 4:10], and he says, 'it does not sayeth he hath blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural.' Thou was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual, it should be reckoned that he has slain the whole race. But to him who has preserved the life of a single individual, it is counted that he has preserved the whole race."

in this ayat "And seek not occasions for mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief" (28:77), again, no further and exact definition of mischief is done.

2:205 When he turns his back, his aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth [hubb] not mischief. [alfsad]

again, no definition is done...

28:77 "But seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on thee, the Home of the Hereafter, nor forget thy portion in this world: But do thou good, as Allah has been good to thee, and seek not (occasions for) mischief in the land: For Allah loves [hubb] not those who do mischief."

again, no definition is done...

Mischief has appeared on the land and sea, because of (the need) that the hands of man have earned, that (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from evil)."
(Ar-Rum: verse 41)

so, you have copypasted the definition given by fiqh, but they cannot give any quranic definition of the mischief, because there is none in quran...

as for murder, murder of non moslem/kaffir/murtadd is not punishable by allah -i can prove it by many, many examples-

- The glorious Qur'an provides guidance on how peace can prevail. (This book replete with hatred ?) Check it out! - Yes, i did it - i think it is somethink like Mein Kampf.

Obtain a copy of the translation of the Qur'an. Read it. You will be pleasantly surprised. Discover the truth about all these issues by yourself, directly by reading the translation of the Glorious Qur'an.

I read quran many times, but taking into account, that it is step back - in comparison with Christianity, and even with Judaism, taking into account all the mistakes and contradictions, even the abrogation thing... moreover this funny fatwas that a fart can desecrate the "holy" quran - it makes me soo laugh.. i repeat it often to my friends and relatives - they are really amused

but what repels me the most in islam is the incestuous relation between state and mosque .. brrr. disgusting.

so, let the mischief as it is, because there is no definition -

can you explain to us the abrogation theology of the quran? how can be the so called word of god so variable that there will be even need for the abrogation ...

There is also the view that there are four classes of naskh:

  • Qur'an abrogates Qur'an.

  • Qur'an abrogates sunna.

  • Sunna abrogates Qur'an.

  • Sunna abrogates sunna. [Qattan, op.cit, pp. 201-2.]

In this discussion, we shall only consider the abrogation in the Qur'an, and leave aside the abrogation in the sunna.

[Ibn Salama, al-nasikh wa al-mansukh, Cairo, 1966, p.5.]

The scholars have divided abrogation into three kinds:

  • Abrogation of the recited (verse) together with the legal ruling.

  • Abrogation of the legal ruling without the recited (verse).

  • Abrogation of the recited (verse) without the legal ruling.

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Books/B0040P0021.aspx

it is such mess, how you can even call it the word of god? if a bunch of lawyers decide what is valid or not, that is not a relevation.

so, next turn:)

regards

Esmeralda

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