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For mahfooz and his bogus falsafa! Misr, Masr and Mis'r

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Nov 4, 2006 at 14:50

my dear mahfooz Ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer: If I wish to use the word: Benghali to describe your race and your origin: do you have any difficulty with that? What is your problem? It better be a good answer and yes spare me your bogus falsafa.

Now back to Masr/Misr and your bogus Mis'r: and if you do not get the following you would really be beyond help:

In classical Arabic the word Egypt is; Misr (notice the kasra), and in Egyptian Arabic it is: Masr (notice the fatha), But ancient Egyptians never called their country: Aegyptos (Greek) or Misr (Classical Arabic) or Mitzrim (Hebrew) or Msr (Syriac) Egyptians called their country KMT (Kemi in Coptic and notice the decay of the letter Tau at the end) and called themselves" 'EnremenKemi or the people of the black land.

So how did we end with Aegyptos (Egypt from Aegyptos) and Masr/Misr/Msr/Mitzrim?

Well, most students of Egypt do agree that the Greek Aegyptos is derived from Ha-KipTah and this is the Egyptian name of the old city of Memphis on the _west_ side of the Nile in the area of greater Cairo.

So how did the semitic languages ended with the root MSR for Egypt? We will never know but we also know that the Egytptian city of Masr was located on the _eastern_ side of the NIle in the area of today's old Cairo and the same area of Hisn Babylyoon (see the Arab invasion of Egypt) and it was the first major Egyptian city that a traveller from Palestine, Syria or Mesopotamia will end in when visiting Egypt. I suspect that this is how MSR got into the semitic languages to describe Egypt.

Notice that in today's Egypt the city of Cairo is still called by its very ancient name: Masr and not al-Qahira as it is supposed to be. So much for Arabian imperialism and the truth about: old civilizations are not conjured away.

Now if we turn to the Qur'an we do not have the word masr in the Qur'an describing Egypt as a country but we have al-masri and al-masriyoon which very well could be describing a resident of the old city of Masr.

Now if we turn to the Sira we have Egypt called: Bilad al-Qibt (the cities or country of the Copts) and we also have Muhammad's Egyptian slave Mariya al-Qibtiya (more expanded in Tabari) the mother of his son Ibrahim or so we are told. This means that Muhammad who has never visited Egypt or so we are told used this non Quranic word: QBT to describe the people of Egypt and called their country: Bilad al-Qibt. The origin of the word QBT is from Greek Aegyptos and no it is not from the name of the then famous city in Upper Egypt: Coptos (Qift in Arabic). What is more interesting is that until early 19th century non-Egyptian Muslims continued to call Egyptians both Muslims and Christians: al-Qibt or the Copts, and called Egypt: bilad al-Qibt. Not Masriyuun and not Masr or Misr.

So what would you like Egyptians to call their country? Masr? Misr? Msr? Mitzrim? KMT? Kemi? Egypt? Aegyptos? And what would you like the rest of the world to call Egypt?

I supect when Islam is gone and it will one of those days Egyptians will call their country: KMT or Kemi and will call themselves: 'Enremnkemi and they will care what the rest of the world will call them.

So much for Arabian imperialism.

If you do not get the above you would really be beyond help.

And remember: no more bogus falsafa.

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