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Mansoor thinks Turkey's a problem for Islam? That's funny - it's a problem for europe too!

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Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), May 25, 2008 at 07:53

I've taken a fortnight's break from reading the hate-filled invectives springing from Mansoor's keyboard, courtesy of his poisoned brain. I had put it down to maybe he was having a particularly bad month and that , given time, his attitude to other people and cultures and beliefs would improve.

Silly me.

Alas, tonight I return to find such gems as 'Unfortunately, people of Turkey are not accepting anything which is there to bring any change to real face of Islam'.

Yes, we know about the two faces of Islam, but surely there must be some people in Turkey who can see the benefits of leaving a primitive 7th century Arab cosmology behind. I mean, how can they not -when they're rubbing up against a more progressive culture which is not similarly hampered?

Another one: "Reformers, Progressors (sic) and other so called intellectuals trying to change the face of Islam would be defeated badly"

Unbelievable isn't it? To 'reform' something means to take something which was corrupt, or on wrong path or had somehow gotten out of shape and heal it or make it better. The fanatics won't even consider letting that happen.

A little further along we find the usual big bad, bogeyman Creator again - 'Allah will surely take revenge ' and 'force' and 'iron fist' etc etc - the usual crap from somebody who is obviously NOT experiencing peace, understanding, happiness and personal fulfillment in their own lives. It's called 'projection' isn't it? My advice ? Get a life - and maybe learn a little about developing a real inner life and humility - for example from your meditating Sikh neighbours. But that concept is too hard to take isn't it - that maybe , just maybe , even the Sikhs have some truth in their beliefs and practices?

"Islam is unchangable that's for sure" . Truly scary - but keep in mind that things which can bend don't break.

""Those thinking to bring any change to Quran and Hadith are living in fools paradise."

I agree with you actually. Leave them as they are - so that people can read for themselves the tales of murder, exhortation to violence, massacres, polygamy, pedophilia, breeding with blood relatives, theft, denigration of women, Jews, Christians etc Not to mention the complete lack of compassion, wisdom and the manifestations of higher consciousness attributed to the founders of the world's true great faiths

However , on second thoughts, I think this should be adjusted to "Those believing in Quran and Hadith are living in fools paradise."

"World would see that how Muslims will deal with those backstabbers..." - no doubt by ACTUALLY stabbing then in the back or across the neck .etc

Incredible isn't it? You actually admit to threatening to use violence because you don't allow people to hold different beliefs to your own .

Where do you people get off?

"The skulls who are thinking ......" (???, um, skulls don't think - or is this some bit of Qurannic science I've yet to be enlightened to?)

He's still talking about 'skulls'. Bit of an obsession developing here - last time I looked in he was going on about 'crushing skulls of infidels'. etc.

I've just been enoying watching the light, colour , laughter, vibrancy and absurdity of Eurovision on TV.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, google it or better still - YouTube it.

43 European nations (and of late, TURKEY ) and Israel get together to put on a brilliant display of light, colour , life and music and singing. There must be at least 20 different languages and 43 different cultures represented. They all get along famously despite the sometimes wide cultural differences and past history (eg. Russia and Germany) .

Now, I know that that epitome of Islam, the Taliban and others, hate this sort of thing - all that colour and life and celebration and even women actually daring to express their creator-endowed sexuality and grace and beauty publically. (I mean that Greek chick is hot - I don't think a burkah would do her justice somehow!. http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoA7ELppWHk n.b. overly sensitive Muslims and children under 12, avert your eyes, lest you be offended.)

But it occurred to me how bleak a situation it would be if the repressive and newly emergent (thanks to Arab petro-dollars) Islamic philosophy became pervasive throughout Europe and the western world. Celebratory events like this would not ever be allowed to happen in the first place.

But I laughed that thought off - because it will never happen. People are born with an innate sense of freedom and fair play and know when they're being sold a pup. And history has shown that Europeans can only be pushed so far before they strike back ferociously to reclaim what is theirs.

So, Mansoor, people see your antics for what they are,chest thumping by a blind and ignorant little man following a blind and ignorant superstition which has no relevance beyond being a good example of just how far people can take self-deception - individually and reinforce it en-masse .

As for Turkey, I 'm not sure what will happen. Europe is certainly aware of the threat it poses. Those unfortunate self-aware people in Turkey must no doubt be frustrated at the abyss of ignorance they find themselves surrounded by . No doubt they'd dearly love to get out and let their hair down.

Europe has been wise to insist that all prospective member states reach certain standards - in fiscal policy and human rights. Turkey has been disallowed entry to date on both of these counts. The latter due in no small amount to its majority adherence to a Muslim ideology.

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